NBA 2017 Draft Prospects Thread

dr0welf · Post #781 » by **dr0welf** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:52 pm

I expect the Jazz to trade some of the picks this year to pull in a veteran or to move up in the draft. I really like John Collins game out of Wake Forest if we can move up. If not, you guys have named a lot of great players. I would look at Derrick White, he seems like a solid all around player with good size for a PG.

Catchall · Post #782 » by **Catchall** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:56 pm

I like Bolden as high as #30 in this draft. He's neck and neck with Wilson for me. Wilson ostensibly is the better character guy. Bolden at 42 would be a no-brainer.

stitches · Post #783 » by **stitches** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:53 am

I don't know if this is good or not but I have someone who Frank Jackson reminds me of - Olivier Hanlan. Is this a crazy comp?

stitches · Post #784 » by **stitches** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:14 pm

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/06/11/nba-draft-dennis-smith-jr-enjoyed-working-out-in-group-setting/

Smith Jr. impressed the Lakers with his workout after leading the Wolfpack with 18.1 points on 45.5 percent shooting and 6.2 assists during his freshman season. He had a 48-inch vertical. He also believed he could have helped the Lakers in one specific category.

“I checked one of the stats and they’re bottom 10 in almost everything relative to pick-and-roll scoring,” Smith Jr. said. “I think I can contribute to that.”

I don't trust LAL numbers. I remember Russell posted 39.5" vertical a couple of years ago, when his vertical athleticism was never great. I don't believe this one either, but... oh well...

Winglish · Post #785 » by **Winglish** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:16 pm

stitches wrote:I don't know if this is good or not but I have someone who Frank Jackson reminds me of - Olivier Hanlan. Is this a crazy comp?

Not crazy. They are very similar players. I have tried hard not to let my Utah pride interfere when I look at Frank Jackson. He was not that productive in college and Coach K had him sitting behind other guys for a reason- He isn't as good as they are.

stitches · Post #786 » by **stitches** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:23 pm

Winglish wrote:
stitches wrote:I don't know if this is good or not but I have someone who Frank Jackson reminds me of - Olivier Hanlan. Is this a crazy comp?

Not crazy. They are very similar players. I have tried hard not to let my Utah pride interfere when I look at Frank Jackson. He was not that productive in college and Coach K had him sitting behind other guys for a reason- He isn't as good as they are.

When I say that I mean at the moment they are coming out of college. Keep in mind that Frank is still young and can develop his game much more before he reaches the age Hanlan entered the NBA draft at. He also has better athleticism, which would help with developing his game and going past some of the hurdles Hanlan had in translating his game. The problem with Frank right now is that I don't think he uses his athleticism great in games. He seems to jump our of the gym on tests but not when he's surrounded by others on the floor. This might change with him getting more physically mature.

sipclip · Post #787 » by **sipclip** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:43 pm

Winglish wrote:
stitches wrote:I don't know if this is good or not but I have someone who Frank Jackson reminds me of - Olivier Hanlan. Is this a crazy comp?

Not crazy. They are very similar players. I have tried hard not to let my Utah pride interfere when I look at Frank Jackson. He was not that productive in college and Coach K had him sitting behind other guys for a reason- He isn't as good as they are.

I can make the exact same comparison to Eric Bledsoe which actually makes more sense since they are similar level athletes and have similar frames coming out of college.

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stitches · Post #788 » by **stitches** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:46 pm

sipclip wrote:
Winglish wrote:
stitches wrote:I don't know if this is good or not but I have someone who Frank Jackson reminds me of - Olivier Hanlan. Is this a crazy comp?

Not crazy. They are very similar players. I have tried hard not to let my Utah pride interfere when I look at Frank Jackson. He was not that productive in college and Coach K had him sitting behind other guys for a reason- He isn't as good as they are.

I can make the exact same comparison to Eric Bledsoe which actually makes more sense since they are similar level athletes and have similar frames coming out of college.

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They are similar level athletes against cones. Bledsoe has much more functional in-game athleticism. If you watch Frank play you'd never guess he's a freak athlete.

stitches · Post #789 » by **stitches** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:17 pm

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stitches · Post #790 » by **stitches** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:09 pm

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tleikheen · Post #791 » by **tleikheen** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:10 pm

If Jonathon Jeanne has withdrawn his name from the draft then

Anzejs Pasecniks 7'2"

could be a nice backup also behind Gobert.
All over the NBA ,European Centers are being drafted .They seem to be taught basics better than American Center prospects.

Anzejs Pasecniks looks to be very fluid around the basket and mobility is the new NBA.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #792 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:46 pm

stitches wrote:
sipclip wrote:
Winglish wrote:
Not crazy. They are very similar players. I have tried hard not to let my Utah pride interfere when I look at Frank Jackson. He was not that productive in college and Coach K had him sitting behind other guys for a reason- He isn't as good as they are.

I can make the exact same comparison to Eric Bledsoe which actually makes more sense since they are similar level athletes and have similar frames coming out of college.

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They are similar level athletes against cones. Bledsoe has much more functional in-game athleticism. If you watch Frank play you'd never guess he's a freak athlete.

It also doesn't mean that he can't be a more functional athlete.

I think it's pretty simple why Jackson didn't start: Kennard and Grayson Allen were leading the team. They're fantastic college players that will be terrible NBA players. Frank Jackson was a good college player that will be a better NBA player.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #793 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:15 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:
stitches wrote:
sipclip wrote:I can make the exact same comparison to Eric Bledsoe which actually makes more sense since they are similar level athletes and have similar frames coming out of college.

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They are similar level athletes against cones. Bledsoe has much more functional in-game athleticism. If you watch Frank play you'd never guess he's a freak athlete.

It also doesn't mean that he can't be a more functional athlete.

I think it's pretty simple why Jackson didn't start: Kennard and Grayson Allen were leading the team. They're fantastic college players that will be terrible NBA players. Frank Jackson was a good college player that will be a better NBA player.

I disagree. I would love for the local kid to be signed by the local team and be great, but I don't think he will. I think that he isn't big enough to effectively play SG and doesn't have the innate PG skills to play PG. Unfortunately, I think that he is fools gold.

Catchall · Post #794 » by **Catchall** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:46 pm

stitches wrote:

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He shoots like Joe Ingles, only better. I hope the Spurs don't end up with him.

KqWIN · Post #795 » by **KqWIN** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:47 pm

It's hard to take much away from Frank's time at Duke because he was put into a role that played into his weaknesses. He's not a game manager, but that was his role at Duke. He was the Mario Chalmers of that team. Didn't get to have the ball a lot, and didn't get the opportunity to let loose. He was a starter, by the way.

What I like about Frank is two things. 1) The potential to shoot the 3 off the dribble. 2) Diversity in finishes around the rim. Those are two unique skills that are common amongst the best scoring guards in the league.

He didn't get to show much of the first at Duke, but that is something I believe he can do at the next level. Being able to shoot the 3 off the dribble might be the most common trait among elite guards in the league. His finishing is what really excites me. He finishes off either foot with both hands. He combines a great deal of craftiness with good athleticism at the rim.

At this point in the draft, you won't find a perfect prospect and should be happy with anyone who makes it past their rookie contract. Frank's path to being a player in this league is simple and very realistic imo. He has a great chance at being a scorer off the bench. He's a safe pick in that sense, but he also provides more upside than a typical late first/early second round pick.

I'd compare him to Jared Bayless, Dion Waiters, and Austin Rivers. He probably has a better head on his shoulders than all 3.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #796 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:49 pm

If the Jazz are looking for a scoring PG or combo guard, I believe that Donovan Mitchell will end up being one of the best from this class, and the most obtainable (the Jazz aren't trading into the top 5).

If the Jazz could pull off a trade to get Mitchell, such as using the 30th pick player(s) and seconds, and then grab either Bolden or Wilson with the 24th pick, I'd be very happy with that outcome.

KqWIN · Post #797 » by **KqWIN** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:56 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:If the Jazz are looking for a scoring PG or combo guard, I believe that Donovan Mitchell will end up being one of the best from this class, and the most obtainable (the Jazz aren't trading into the top 5).

If the Jazz could pull off a trade to get Mitchell, such as using the 30th pick player(s) and seconds, and then grab either Bolden or Wilson with the 24th pick, I'd be very happy with that outcome.

I'd say Mitchell is more likely to go top 10 than outside of the top 20. I doubt 24+30 moves you up far enough.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #798 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:20 pm

Surprisingly, Kurucs withdrew from draft today.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #799 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:21 pm

KqWIN wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:If the Jazz are looking for a scoring PG or combo guard, I believe that Donovan Mitchell will end up being one of the best from this class, and the most obtainable (the Jazz aren't trading into the top 5).

If the Jazz could pull off a trade to get Mitchell, such as using the 30th pick player(s) and seconds, and then grab either Bolden or Wilson with the 24th pick, I'd be very happy with that outcome.

I'd say Mitchell is more likely to go top 10 than outside of the top 20. I doubt 24+30 moves you up far enough.

Probably, it is a bit pie in the sky. To me he could develop into a George Hill player.

AingesBurner · Post #800 » by **AingesBurner** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:13 am

SoCalJazzFan wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:If the Jazz are looking for a scoring PG or combo guard, I believe that Donovan Mitchell will end up being one of the best from this class, and the most obtainable (the Jazz aren't trading into the top 5).

If the Jazz could pull off a trade to get Mitchell, such as using the 30th pick player(s) and seconds, and then grab either Bolden or Wilson with the 24th pick, I'd be very happy with that outcome.

I'd say Mitchell is more likely to go top 10 than outside of the top 20. I doubt 24+30 moves you up far enough.

Probably, it is a bit pie in the sky. To me he could develop into a George Hill player.

I think that's why the Jazz want him.