Trade Idea: Kanter to ATL for picks

[Luigi]

Everyone is fighting for minutes. Every position but point guard has a long term project. I don't understand why Kanter has to leave ASAP and we need talented guards.

Because right now Utah is wasting its long term project for the sake of a play-off spot not more. This team can only reach the play-offs not more. Instead of just going to the play-offs, it is better to develop young core , add a young and promising guard to the young core, but then losing some spots....
Jefferson and Milsap showed what they are capable or not capable, let Favors and Kanter play, and let them develop...

Wait, are you saying we shouldn't trade Kanter for guards now?

[falcon107]

I am saying two things:
If more minutes cannot be given to Kanter it is best to trade him for a young and promising guard. Utah in that case must keep both Jefferson and Milsap. This is project 1. We know Jefferson and Milsap's ceiling, and that can only make Utah a play-off team, not more.

At the second project Jefferson is traded for a young and promising guard. and three youngs Kanter, Favors, Milsap shares 96 minutes. Who starts is not a problem. Milsap becomes the mentor, and if Kanter, Favors become what they are promising then Utah is a contender team. Project 2 is what I want, but it is not as far as I get what Utah management is planning...

[Jajwanda]

How about you guys trade Millsap to L.A. and we figure out a way to make things work in a three-way deal with Pau involved.

[StocktonShorts]

How about you guys trade Millsap to L.A. and we figure out a way to make things work in a three-way deal with Pau involved.

Is there a team out there who wants Pau and has a spare point guard? If so maybe we can pull of a three-team deal.

[Luigi]

2 seasons have passed

Three first-rounders for Kanter...

Do you wish we went for this trade?

[Luigi]

If we're honest with ourselves, Kanter is behind pace. So is Favors, but not by as much, he's further along. It's not looking very good.

How many all star appearances do we expect out of each of them? Any All-NBA team selections? Other young bigs are showing them up. I really hope it all changes soon, but I'm having serious doubts.

When someone offers three firsts for Kanter, I think you take a good long look at that offer. It's not even close to asinine.

You'd be a pretty terrible gardener. Probably buy a bunch of plants and bemoan their progress when they haven't sprouted in a couple of weeks. Which young bigs showed them up, so to speak? None younger than them... I know this because they were among the 8 or so youngest in the NBA last year. It actually annoys me pretty bad to see someone give up, panic, and whine about them so much this early in the process.

I'll take my crow if we're 2 seasons down the road and still iffy on where this is all going. But at this point... hell no.

[Luigi]

Luigi.
go back and read erudites post, then read it again and really try and wrap your mind around what he said.

Given what was going in the NBA with the lockout, and the circumstances that Kanter came into the league under, I think he actually showed above what was expected.

I think a big plate of crow could be in your future.

[Luigi]

Kanter has a chance to be a Pau Gasol caliber player. The second best player on a championship team, an offensive and rebounding force, and a core player for your team. I don't think he ever becomes the player you build your whole team around. If he is caught in a situation where he is expected to be that, it could ruin his career. But a guy that can show what he showed last year is rarely going to bust. You are acting like the typical, stupid, rash and impatient casual NBA fan. You don't want to wait. You don't want explanations. You just want to dominate and you want it right now.

[dr0welf]

Its no surprise as Kanter and Corbin did not get along. I want to see him for atleast half a year under the new coach and system and if no improvement I'm up to trading him come trade deadline.

[babyjax13]

There weren't many players better than Kanter available with those picks. I'm still happy with keeping him and am interested to see him under a new coach. He still has good trade value.

[tleikheen]

Its no surprise as Kanter and Corbin did not get along. I want to see him for atleast half a year under the new coach and system and if no improvement I'm up to trading him come trade deadline

I see guys question whether Kanter is going to give effort or work hard ..that sounds dumb ,he just turned 22 and plays for his country's honor.Last year he was recovering from a separated shoulder .This year he's expecting to be the Jazz starting Center,big difference.Favors and Kanter are going to be hard to keep off the backboards this coming up year.The growthe of the Jazz will start with Kanter and Favors .

[Nate505]

2 seasons have passed

Three first-rounders for Kanter...

Do you wish we went for this trade?

Three first rounders in what range and in what draft.

In the late teens to 20s in what, the 2013 draft?

Hell no. I'm looking at that list and I'd rather have Kanter any day of the week over any of the guys drafted in that range.

In this draft? It's better, but no.

[Luigi]

2 seasons have passed

Three first-rounders for Kanter...

Do you wish we went for this trade?

Three first rounders in what range and in what draft.

In the late teens to 20s in what, the 2013 draft?

Hell no. I'm looking at that list and I'd rather have Kanter any day of the week over any of the guys drafted in that range.

In this draft? It's better, but no.

I figured it would be atlanta's picks over the next few years. As I understand it, you can't trade your first pick in consecutive years unless you acquire another pick. I thought it would be spread out a bit.

[Luigi]

So...three first rounders for Kanter?

[erudite23]

Kanter has not progressed as anyone would have hoped. I think that much is clear. His inability to grasp simple defensive concepts, to read-and-react, and to bust his ass off like he should be doing with his future on the line....is very frustrating.

All of that said, I wouldn't have made the trade at the time and that was the right move. Its easy to look back and make decisions after the fact. If you want to gloat because you think you were right, have at it. Player development is not an easy thing to manage, and young players are risky investments. I don't think that this has been 100% decided, but I think that it would be extremely difficult to get 3 1sts for Kanter now, even late ones, whereas it may have been doable at the time. So from that perspective I guess you think that makes you right? Whatever.

But I am taking my chances with a young, extremely talented stud big man prospect in his second year over 3 small trade chips every time. Those 3 picks might give us a Dennis Schroeder, Willie Cauley-Stein and another player of that caliber at the very most. Kanter has the ability to be a game changer, but that comes with some downside as well. By definition, you're going to come up with nothing sometimes when those are the stakes. But how would it have looked now if we traded, say, Jonas Valanciunas for 3 mid/late 1sts? That would look stupid in retrospect, and I think Kanter's upside is significantly better than his.

[Inigo Montoya]

I don't know if this premise of wishing we could trade Kanter for three 1st round picks holds water. It's not like there was a rumor out there that it is actually being discussed - it's just a question asked by another poster on this board (the original post in this thread).

There is no hindsight here, or being right about anything, or wishing we could have done this deal, since this deal never really existed in the first place - it was just a question by another poster. We could just as well ask if we wish we would have traded him for LeBron.

[erudite23]

^^^Exactly. It's a made up deal anyway, which only makes the premise that much more stupid. But hey if Luigi needs to feel validated....by all means!

[Inigo Montoya]

It's not about or against Luigi. It's an interesting question to ask on a theoretical level. Just not on a practical level, since that deal never existed.

[Blackie]

Kanter still has upside. I don't think anyone would want to trade for him now since he will be a Restricted Free Agent after this year and could go elsewhere.

[Luigi]

Yes, this was sour grapes. I couldn't help myself. But, after being so outnumbered on this...

I think its a mistake to say that since the deal was hypothetical, there is no hindsight. Most of realgm is hypothetical. We test each others' opinions about the current state of nba players by discussing hypotheticals. Coach should do this, GM should do that. Sometimes we just say, 'Whoa, did you see that dunk". But mostly, it's about what should happen, hypothetically speaking. Nothing we say has any real bearing on the league. But we are discussing it with each other.

Now, just because Kanter didn't pan out, it doesn't mean it was the right thing to trade him. But we do measure our opinions based on actual performance over time. If we discuss whether we should trade Kanter at a certain point in his career (hypothetically), we are discussing how we think he will develop. What else are we doing on realgm if that doesn't hold water?

Anyway, I do hope the boy finds a steady place in the league.