Roster 2022-23 as per September 21st

[mg]

I could dig up some old clips of Lauri and his lack of rebounding while playing with the Bulls as I personally had to sit thru some of those games as my brother has season tickets for the Bulls.

Absolutely. But what that has to do with Sexton being a black hole with zero PG skills I have no clue of.

You claim all players in Jazz get to shine this season. That simply is impossible if Sexton gets the keys to the team. In that case there will be exactly one player shining, the rest of the team will be extremely frustrated. Good for the tank, sure, but that way you don't build a team bonding together.

Like it or not Hardy is going to give Sexton a chance to develop his playmaking skills. They just signed him to a 4 year extension. Yes it will probably get ugly at times but I'm going to assume you don't give 4/$70 to a 23 year old if you aren't planning to develop him.

I know you are just a fan of Lauri but the Jazz are now in the player development business for likely the next few seasons. Maybe Lauri will actually step up and develop some playmaking skills too under Hardy. He spent way too much time just standing around and disappearing the past few seasons which he also did last year in Cleveland despite having Garland and Rubio as playmakers.

[FJS]

Still to many players in this roster.

[Wolverine]

Even more now

[mg]

Even more now

According to Marks the Pistons sent $1.8 mil in cash to offset Lee's salary so I'm assuming he gets cut.

[JimmyPlopper]

My guess is that Mike Conley, Jordan Clarkson and Rudy Gay will also be moved before the season starts. Without knowing what kind of players would come back in a trade for the first three guys, that would leave a resulting lineup as something like this. If they get some more promising prospects in exchange for the above guys, they may waive someone like Lee or Johnson.

Collin Sexton / Jared Butler / Saben Lee
Malik Beasley / Nickeil Alexander-Walker / Leandro Bolmaro
Ochai Agbaji / Talen Horton-Tucker / Simone Fontecchio
Lauri Markkanen / Jarred Vanderbilt / Stanley Johnson
Kelly Olynyk / Walker Kessler / Udoka Azubuike

[Wolverine]

Tony Jones is claiming there are no more moves on the horizon, roster is set for now

[AingesBurner]

Tony Jones is claiming there are no more moves on the horizon, roster is set for now

Which is frustrating, we are tanking incorrectly.

[JimmyPlopper]

Tony Jones is claiming there are no more moves on the horizon, roster is set for now

Which is frustrating, we are tanking incorrectly.

Hinkie style tanking is pretty harsh on the fanbase in the short-term. Then there is the Thunder style tanking currently where they have a couple guys hurting the tank like SGA. Jazz could be one step removed from that where they intend to be more competitive on a year to year basis and the acquisition of other teams picks for moving Mitchell and Gobert can help keep them relevant in the draft.

[bkohler]

Tony Jones is claiming there are no more moves on the horizon, roster is set for now

Which is frustrating, we are tanking incorrectly.

I think there's a strong possibility that our Vets hold negative value. In that case, keeping (and probably sitting) them is better than paying to get rid of them.

[TNJazz]

Collin Sexton / Jared Butler / Saben Lee
Malik Beasley / Nickeil Alexander-Walker / Leandro Bolmaro
Ochai Agbaji / Talen Horton-Tucker / Simone Fontecchio
Lauri Markkanen / Jarred Vanderbilt / Stanley Johnson
Kelly Olynyk / Walker Kessler / Udoka Azubuike

Wow I don't recall a team ever having such a dramatic set of new players on a roster. Only 3 from the end of last season still suiting up? Unfathomable...

I can see a reason to possibly keeping Conley, although I wonder about his commitment if he is relegated to only being a mentor elder statesman. That would signal to me, he is done mentally from a competitive stand point. Maybe they are grooming him to become a player/coach transitioning to being a coach with the Jazz? What other reason could there be for him to stick it out?

There hasn't been much if any discussion on Clarkson's future. He seriously can't garner any interest from teams around the league or is it that Ainge is holding out for an offer that is unbalanced in Utah's favor? Both players have become favorites of mine for different reasons, but it bothers me that this team has undergone such an historic upheaval yet may be keeping these two players who still have some game. The Jazz have always been a team that does what it can for players, remember the Derek Fischer trade, done only to send the message that this organization prioritizes players wishes? Not sure keeping these two uber professionals keeps with that practice.

I think both have a ton to offer the younger guys that Ainge has prioritized the rebuild around, but I wonder how that is working with their psyche? WIll they embrace that role? Will they not be foundational players? Are the Jazz simply holding on to them for a future trade? Management has torn it down this far, why not go all the way and give these two the opportunity to go to a team that is more in line with their own goals?

[mg]

Tony Jones is claiming there are no more moves on the horizon, roster is set for now

Which is frustrating, we are tanking incorrectly.

I think there's a strong possibility that our Vets hold negative value. In that case, keeping (and probably sitting) them is better than paying to get rid of them.

Could be the case. Due to Conley's age and future $ still owed he might be a bit of a negative contract at this point.

I think the player option on JC's contract brings down his value too. THT's value was also lowered due to his PO. Alot of teams don't like the uncertainty of a PO and outside of star players I wouldn't negotiate that into any contracts. I'm assuming JC gets moved at some point this season. Maybe some team offers an expiring + 2 SRP's type of deal. There are a few contending squads (Mil, Memphis, Dallas) that can use scoring punch off their bench.

Both JC and esp Conley could be great mentors but as a rebuilding team I would prefer to see the younger guards get most of the playing time this season. If no more moves are made Lee, Johnson, and possibly Gay (buyout) seem to be 3 of the most obvious guys to get cut from the squad.

[Gert42]

I think Conley's contract is a negative contract, not just a little bit of a negative one. 14 million dollars is a huge amount of money to pay someone to leave your team for one year. It only really makes sense if its Utah doing it (in the sense that the option would be taken).

Conley would either have to play really well for a team to want him, and even then it may be hard to make the players & money right for a trade.

I don't love it necessarily if this is our roster as Tony Jones said. I am OK with not doing the total tear down, because they still have to get people to come to the arena this year, and totally gutting a team seems to have more long term negative ramifications, but I would have liked to see a couple more guys that are not apart of 2024 and beyond traded before the start of the season.

[Wolverine]

I can understand keeping Clarkson as he's a fan favourite and doesnt equate to wins...look at his +/-
Conley equals wins & appears difficult to move. I really don'y understand the lakers not pulling the trigger on those three, wouldve made them contenders for their late 1st rounders.

[Inigo Montoya]

Conley might be a bit challenging to move, though I think he could have helped the Lakers before they got Beverley and Schroeder. The Mavs could probably use him, and maybe a few other teams, but he might be of negative value.

I can't say the same for Clarkson though, he's on a very affordable contract for what he provides, and should bring something of value in a trade.

[Crunch 99]

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Sounds like Conley is going to be his usual, highly professional self and may be a very positive mentor for the young guys, but Rudy Gay might be trouble. In my view, neither Conley or Rudy Gay have much room to complain about possibly being stuck on this rebuilding team. They both succeeded in getting the Jazz to overpay them with lengthy, generous contracts in to their old age imo, and hence share some of the responsibility for having contracts that are difficult to move. You can't bargain hard for generous, lengthy contracts and then be angry when your contracts aren't easily moved to another team when the situation changes.

I've wondered what teams the Jazz were competing with, if any, when they gave Conley a three year, 68 million deal in summer 2021. He was a 33 year old, undersized point guard coming off two seasons plagued by injuries, including being unavailable in the recently completed, 2021 playoffs against the Clippers. To Conley's credit, he followed up with a good 2021-22 season. Similarly, I've wondered what teams the Jazz were competing with, if any, when they gave Rudy Gay a 3 year, 18 million dollar contract in 2021. The third year, 23-24, is player option.

[Wolverine]

Beasley sounds like a loose cannon

[ForeverRDjazz]

Beasley sounds like a loose cannon

why? I've not heard anything. Wondering what's up now.

[Wolverine]

Beasley sounds like a loose cannon

why? I've not heard anything. Wondering what's up now.

His demeanour, working in psychology, I’ve seen it before

[red4hf]

Beasley sounds like a loose cannon

why? I've not heard anything. Wondering what's up now.

His demeanour, working in psychology, I’ve seen it before

With his history, you are definitely not wrong.......

[Gert42]

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Sounds like Conley is going to be his usual, highly professional self and may be a very positive mentor for the young guys, but Rudy Gay might be trouble. In my view, neither Conley or Rudy Gay have much room to complain about possibly being stuck on this rebuilding team. They both succeeded in getting the Jazz to overpay them with lengthy, generous contracts in to their old age imo, and hence share some of the responsibility for having contracts that are difficult to move. You can't bargain hard for generous, lengthy contracts and then be angry when your contracts aren't easily moved to another team when the situation changes.

I've wondered what teams the Jazz were competing with, if any, when they gave Conley a three year, 68 million deal in summer 2021. He was a 33 year old, undersized point guard coming off two seasons plagued by injuries, including being unavailable in the recently completed, 2021 playoffs against the Clippers. To Conley's credit, he followed up with a good 2021-22 season. Similarly, I've wondered what teams the Jazz were competing with, if any, when they gave Rudy Gay a 3 year, 18 million dollar contract in 2021. The third year, 23-24, is player option.

I think the deal with Conley was probably just to justify giving up 2 1st round picks and essentially another first in Grayson Allen. Plus, with it being the window of Mitchell and Gobert being on pretty good deals, they wanted to maximize that team. I agree with you though, I would be curious who else would be signing that deal. I'm sure there would be other teams. Just definetly risky on the back end as it is showing.

The Rudy part is baffling to me. I was really excited to sign him last year, and I also would hand him a check to get him out of here before camp started.