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AingesBurner wrote:PK’s report is quite interesting, guess he dropped Gobert news first. I imagine it goes down today or tomorrow. Plus there is the cryptic Donovan tweet. It will be nice not having to decipher his cryptic tweets, have fun with that Knicks fans.
AingesBurner wrote:PK’s report is quite interesting, guess he dropped Gobert news first. I imagine it goes down today or tomorrow. Plus there is the cryptic Donovan tweet. It will be nice not having to decipher his cryptic tweets, have fun with that Knicks fans.
dr0welf wrote:AingesBurner wrote:PK’s report is quite interesting, guess he dropped Gobert news first. I imagine it goes down today or tomorrow. Plus there is the cryptic Donovan tweet. It will be nice not having to decipher his cryptic tweets, have fun with that Knicks fans.
Not sure what you are seeing on PK's report but supposedly nothing is done yet.
AingesBurner wrote:
dr0welf wrote:AingesBurner wrote:
Bogies and Clarkson's are on sale too.... but to be fair it is all the old style jerseys not the new ugly ones
bearadonisdna wrote:Knicks can’t slit their wrist for DM.
That’s why they can’t send 4 unprotected .
Btw Ainge is misjudging the market completely .
Just because Gobert got it but it’s a different landscape now.
Minny was dealing was a perennial playoff team selling their foundation.
The jazz are now a lottery team selling their foundation.
This mean the price to buyer can be lower.
As far as dangling players so freely in trade talks for them just to stall , it’s not normal precedent for the PLAYER to take control of his destiny
Ainge or jazz can’t feel too empowered they are in the driver seat because thatvysntvthecwst it works out any more in the player empowered nba.
Right now they are operating at the mercy of DM not the other way around.
It’s better to settle on fair deal than than try to extract most value at the opposing teams dismay because the greed may backfire.
You do realize that they could force Donovan to play for 3 years and if he doesn’t toe the line then the team can suspend him without pay? It would suck for the Jazz to do that to a player with so much value BUT would be great to see during the “player empowerment” era. You tell Leon Rose that Danny Ainge is comin’ and hells comin with him. bearadonisdna wrote:Knicks can’t slit their wrist for DM.
That’s why they can’t send 4 unprotected .
Btw Ainge is misjudging the market completely .
Just because Gobert got it but it’s a different landscape now.
Minny was dealing was a perennial playoff team selling their foundation.
The jazz are now a lottery team selling their foundation.
This mean the price to buyer can be lower.
As far as dangling players so freely in trade talks for them just to stall , it’s not normal precedent for the PLAYER to take control of his destiny
Ainge or jazz can’t feel too empowered they are in the driver seat because thatvysntvthecwst it works out any more in the player empowered nba.
Right now they are operating at the mercy of DM not the other way around.
It’s better to settle on fair deal than than try to extract most value at the opposing teams dismay because the greed may backfire.
AingesBurner wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:Knicks can’t slit their wrist for DM.
That’s why they can’t send 4 unprotected .
Btw Ainge is misjudging the market completely .
Just because Gobert got it but it’s a different landscape now.
Minny was dealing was a perennial playoff team selling their foundation.
The jazz are now a lottery team selling their foundation.
This mean the price to buyer can be lower.
As far as dangling players so freely in trade talks for them just to stall , it’s not normal precedent for the PLAYER to not take control of his destiny
Ainge or jazz can’t feel too empowered they are in the driver seat because that’s not the way it works out any more in the player empowered nba.
Right now they are operating at the mercy of DM not the other way around.
It’s better to settle on fair deal than than try to extract most value at the opposing teams dismay because the greed may backfire.
dr0welf wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:Knicks can’t slit their wrist for DM.
That’s why they can’t send 4 unprotected .
Btw Ainge is misjudging the market completely .
Just because Gobert got it but it’s a different landscape now.
Minny was dealing was a perennial playoff team selling their foundation.
The jazz are now a lottery team selling their foundation.
This mean the price to buyer can be lower.
As far as dangling players so freely in trade talks for them just to stall , it’s not normal precedent for the PLAYER to take control of his destiny
Ainge or jazz can’t feel too empowered they are in the driver seat because thatvysntvthecwst it works out any more in the player empowered nba.
Right now they are operating at the mercy of DM not the other way around.
It’s better to settle on fair deal than than try to extract most value at the opposing teams dismay because the greed may backfire.
Ben Simmons just did that and his value is horrible now. Spida is pretty smart and I don't think he will force his way out. He will play where he is signed or traded. Which is a valuable asset in itself. I do agree that Knicks shouldn't slit their own throat trying to get Mitchell but that being said if they want Mitchell it is going to cost a lot.
I wouldn't be surprised if NY found other teams that want some of their veteran players for trade/picks that might help minimize the damage. I'm guessing this is what is stalling negotiations as both sides know what is needed. Knicks are buying time to try to minimize the damage
bearadonisdna wrote:AingesBurner wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:Knicks can’t slit their wrist for DM.
That’s why they can’t send 4 unprotected .
Btw Ainge is misjudging the market completely .
Just because Gobert got it but it’s a different landscape now.
Minny was dealing was a perennial playoff team selling their foundation.
The jazz are now a lottery team selling their foundation.
This mean the price to buyer can be lower.
As far as dangling players so freely in trade talks for them just to stall , it’s not normal precedent for the PLAYER to not take control of his destiny
Ainge or jazz can’t feel too empowered they are in the driver seat because that’s not the way it works out any more in the player empowered nba.
Right now they are operating at the mercy of DM not the other way around.
It’s better to settle on fair deal than than try to extract most value at the opposing teams dismay because the greed may backfire.
Well I’m glad you got my point despite a couple typos .
The fallacy is that you think you can force DM to play . You think he will have toe the line , he can decide to sit out without pay and it a game players will play or he can just dog it like harden .
It’s been discussed already , DM controls when he plays not the FO. They control his contractual rights not his body.
AingesBurner wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:AingesBurner wrote:
Well I’m glad you got my point despite a couple typos .
The fallacy is that you think you can force DM to play . You think he will have toe the line , he can decide to sit out without pay and it a game players will play or he can just dog it like harden .
It’s been discussed already , DM controls when he plays not the FO. They control his contractual rights not his body.
DNP-CD
bearadonisdna wrote:AingesBurner wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:
Well I’m glad you got my point despite a couple typos .
The fallacy is that you think you can force DM to play . You think he will have toe the line , he can decide to sit out without pay and it a game players will play or he can just dog it like harden .
It’s been discussed already , DM controls when he plays not the FO. They control his contractual rights not his body.
DNP-CD
Sure . That’s the point I’m making exactly .
DM will have to agree to that so it won’t be illegal .
Playing for a tanking team , DM is already losing value as he is losing his Allstar status.
DNPs for contract or trade dispute probably preserve his value over playing.
dr0welf wrote:AingesBurner wrote:
Bogies and Clarkson's are on sale too.... but to be fair it is all the old style jerseys not the new ugly ones
Catchall wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:AingesBurner wrote:
DNP-CD
Sure . That’s the point I’m making exactly .
DM will have to agree to that so it won’t be illegal .
Playing for a tanking team , DM is already losing value as he is losing his Allstar status.
DNPs for contract or trade dispute probably preserve his value over playing.
Bro, our frontcourt is going to be Walker Kessler, Jared Vanderbilt and Simone Fontecchio. If the Rockets can lose games with Christian Wood, Jalen Green and Jae'Sean Tate, I'm sure we can too.
bearadonisdna wrote:AingesBurner wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:
Well I’m glad you got my point despite a couple typos .
The fallacy is that you think you can force DM to play . You think he will have toe the line , he can decide to sit out without pay and it a game players will play or he can just dog it like harden .
It’s been discussed already , DM controls when he plays not the FO. They control his contractual rights not his body.
DNP-CD
Sure . That’s the point I’m making exactly .
DM will have to agree to that so it won’t be illegal .
Playing for a tanking team , DM is already losing value as he is losing his Allstar status.
DNPs for contract or trade dispute probably preserve his value over playing.
dr0welf wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:AingesBurner wrote:
DNP-CD
Sure . That’s the point I’m making exactly .
DM will have to agree to that so it won’t be illegal .
Playing for a tanking team , DM is already losing value as he is losing his Allstar status.
DNPs for contract or trade dispute probably preserve his value over playing.
I don't think DM is going to lose all star status, if he plays.... he will ball out. This is the problem for the Jazz. He plays and balls out, we start to win games we want to lose. But DM will play hard no matter what and will want to still be an allstar. This will happen sooner then later if it is going to happen. IMHO
I haven't pulled any history but I'm sure there's been players miss the playoffs yet still voted in as a all star. Mitchell stays in Utah next year he'll without question be AS player win or lose he'll be there. I'd bet his numbers would be a career best and value will be all time high at trade deadline. Hard to win a argument with someone smart.bearadonisdna wrote:dr0welf wrote:bearadonisdna wrote:
Sure . That’s the point I’m making exactly .
DM will have to agree to that so it won’t be illegal .
Playing for a tanking team , DM is already losing value as he is losing his Allstar status.
DNPs for contract or trade dispute probably preserve his value over playing.
I don't think DM is going to lose all star status, if he plays.... he will ball out. This is the problem for the Jazz. He plays and balls out, we start to win games we want to lose. But DM will play hard no matter what and will want to still be an allstar. This will happen sooner then later if it is going to happen. IMHO
The jazz will have to win for DM to maintain Allstar status . It’s just the landscape of the selection process now.
It’s will depend on the strength of the tank and it’s intent . By most accounts intents look strong so having a playoff type record would mean not executing the FOs plan which can be a major setback .They can also pivot I’m not here to be doom and gloom guy.
In short My reality is:
Jazz executes tank
DM loses AS status
ForeverRDjazz wrote:I haven't pulled any history but I'm sure there's been players miss the playoffs yet still voted in as a all star. Mitchell stays in Utah next year he'll without question be AS player win or lose he'll be there. I'd bet his numbers would be a career best and value will be all time high at trade deadline. Hard to win a argument with someone smart.bearadonisdna wrote:dr0welf wrote:
I don't think DM is going to lose all star status, if he plays.... he will ball out. This is the problem for the Jazz. He plays and balls out, we start to win games we want to lose. But DM will play hard no matter what and will want to still be an allstar. This will happen sooner then later if it is going to happen. IMHO
The jazz will have to win for DM to maintain Allstar status . It’s just the landscape of the selection process now.
It’s will depend on the strength of the tank and it’s intent . By most accounts intents look strong so having a playoff type record would mean not executing the FOs plan which can be a major setback .They can also pivot I’m not here to be doom and gloom guy.
In short My reality is:
Jazz executes tank
DM loses AS status
