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Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:32 pm
by BarneyGumble
http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/04/22/sports/nh2401409.txtFor anyone who is bored and has nothing better to do, here is the opinion of one Bob Finnan, who gets a media vote on post season awards, in regards to Deron Williams not being on ANY of his all-NBA teams. Oh he has an injured Roy and an injured Ginobili (didnt both these guys miss significant parts of the season?), but he also has Rondo over DWill. That just seems like blatant haterism to me, and is just goes to show you that the whole state of Utah has an unfair bias against it when it comes to sports media.... Make no mistake....the bias is real. If it weren't, then Stock, Mail, and Sloan would all have at least one ring, and DWill would have been an All-Star long before this season.......
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:39 pm
by QuantumMacgyver
I'll agree there is a bias against smaller teams like Utah, and Milwaukee, but how is that accountable for Stock, Malone and Sloan not having at least one ring? San Antonio is a small market team, and they were the best team in the NBA for 10 years.
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:41 pm
by QuantumMacgyver
Cool to see Mathews getting some love tho!
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:43 pm
by Soul Patch
Deron was the best point guard in the league this season. He deserves NBA first team but I think he'll be put on the second team.
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:46 pm
by BarneyGumble
QuantumMacgyver wrote:I'll agree there is a bias against smaller teams like Utah, and Milwaukee, but how is that accountable for Stock, Malone and Sloan not having at least one ring? San Antonio is a small market team, and they were the best team in the NBA for 10 years.
Media love of Jordan and hate of Malone = reason why Bavetta and his crew made calls in games 4 and 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals that manipulated the end results. On the court, the Jazz were the better team. Just not better by 10+, only better by about 5 or 6 points, which led to Bulls wins by 1.
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:54 pm
by loserX
Well...the conference call to other writers did show Deron on the 2nd team all-NBA. So this Finnan guy is clearly an idiot, but it doesn't really speak to a media-wide bias.
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:23 pm
by DelaneyRudd
Hi Dan!
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:50 pm
by QuantumMacgyver
DWill_daShizzle wrote:QuantumMacgyver wrote:I'll agree there is a bias against smaller teams like Utah, and Milwaukee, but how is that accountable for Stock, Malone and Sloan not having at least one ring? San Antonio is a small market team, and they were the best team in the NBA for 10 years.
Media love of Jordan and hate of Malone = reason why Bavetta and his crew made calls in games 4 and 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals that manipulated the end results. On the court, the Jazz were the better team. Just not better by 10+, only better by about 5 or 6 points, which led to Bulls wins by 1.
Ok, that is a viable argument, but San Antonio is even more boring than the Jazz and look how many times they have won. I think the Jazz just let it slip between their fingers. Every Finals series is manipulated by the refs. Blaming it entirely on the refs is futile because the Spurs were great enough to overcome every team in the league and the refs at the same time. The Jazz were just lacking a few components.
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:09 pm
by StocktonShorts
I think it should be said: Spurs, Rockets and the Kobe/Shaq Lakers have zero championships against Michael Jordan's Bulls.
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:11 pm
by Sean Reynolds
HappyProle wrote:I think it should be said: Spurs, Rockets and the Kobe/Shaq Lakers have zero championships against Michael Jordan's Bulls.
Agreed.
The Jazz's problem always was that they peaked at the wrong time. Those 1996-1998 Bulls were the most dominant teams in modern-NBA history. The 1990-1993 Bulls were good - but nowhere near as good as the Chicago teams Utah ran into during their two trips to the Finals.
Had Utah not choked away game-five against Houston in 1995, I think they stand a very good chance of winning the whole thing.
But they did and the rest is history.
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:14 pm
by DByrne86
How is San Antonio a small market? It's one of the most populous cities in the country in the 2nd most populous state in the country, and it's right next door to Austin, TX where a lot of people are Spurs fans. It's actually one of the largest markets in the NBA.
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:00 pm
by pro2020
DByrne86 wrote:How is San Antonio a small market? It's one of the most populous cities in the country in the 2nd most populous state in the country, and it's right next door to Austin, TX where a lot of people are Spurs fans. It's actually one of the largest markets in the NBA.
http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:17 am
by ICU81MI
pro2020 wrote:DByrne86 wrote:How is San Antonio a small market? It's one of the most populous cities in the country in the 2nd most populous state in the country, and it's right next door to Austin, TX where a lot of people are Spurs fans. It's actually one of the largest markets in the NBA.
http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets
pwnt. what were you talking about?
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:58 am
by QuantumMacgyver
DByrne86 wrote:How is San Antonio a small market? It's one of the most populous cities in the country in the 2nd most populous state in the country, and it's right next door to Austin, TX where a lot of people are Spurs fans. It's actually one of the largest markets in the NBA.
State population doesn't equate to fan base. Especially when you consider the NBA is now a global market.
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:34 pm
by drivewayball
Why do you care what Mr. Finnan or anyone else thinks of your boy Deron? If you like him, like him. If you love him, love him. Do you need to have your opinion validated by having everyone else share it?
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:57 pm
by BarneyGumble
drivewayball wrote:Why do you care what Mr. Finnan or anyone else thinks of your boy Deron? If you like him, like him. If you love him, love him. Do you need to have your opinion validated by having everyone else share it?
LOL please excuse me for ripping on your boyfriend Finnan.
Look I think an ass-hat who blatanly disses a person who deserves professional accolades and will not get them because of said ass-hat needs to be called out. There is absolutely no basis for voting for Roy, Rondo, or Ginobili on the All-NBA teams over Deron. Its nothing but straight up hate. Put him on the damned 3rd team if you really have some hate for him, but to leave him off all together and put guys who had nowhere near the caliber of season Deron had is absurd. If this were some realgm fool giving his picks, I wouldnt care. But this man has a real vote, and that effects Deron, and Finnan needs to be called out for that.
Re: Ginobili, Roy, Rondo > Deron? You have got to be kidding
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:26 pm
by StocktonShorts
DWill_daShizzle wrote:But this man has a real vote, and that effects Deron, and Finnan needs to be called out for that.
I think he was put off by the Jazz's marketing campaign for All-NBA teams. He references it in his article.