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Tell me that I read the wiretap wrong or something.

If it's true, hopefully the dude will cut us a break for cuttin him one and sign that bi-annual exception. As much as I love the kid, he's not worth the MLE right now.

Ross Siler did a really nice recap of it in his blog: http://blogs.sltrib.com/jazz/index.php? ... &tb=1&pb=1

Ya that pretty much sucks hard for us.

What a stupid rule.

If I were Matthews, I'll sign long-term if the Jazz offer the full mid-level. Otherwise, 3M for two years would be OK.

You can split the MLE. Why is everyone talking like the Jazz have to use the entire thing?

In my eyes this changes the Matthews situation very little. It just means the Jazz have fewer options for using the MLE to sign other players; but I doubt they were going to do that anyway.

We should feel fortunate that he's a restricted FA, even if the Jazz don't have Bird rights on him.

The only issue, from my perspective, is you don't get a real contributor with half of the MLE or what is left after signing Matthews. This limits our improvements to our draft choice, minimum players, or a trade which is unlikely.

kebutah wrote:The only issue, from my perspective, is you don't get a real contributor with half of the MLE or what is left after signing Matthews. This limits our improvements to our draft choice, minimum players, or a trade which is unlikely.

This.

Might as well forget about the MLE since half or less than half of it won't get you anything. Even more of a reason why the Jazz should try and tade into another first round pick if possible.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:

kebutah wrote:The only issue, from my perspective, is you don't get a real contributor with half of the MLE or what is left after signing Matthews. This limits our improvements to our draft choice, minimum players, or a trade which is unlikely.

This.

Might as well forget about the MLE since half or less than half of it won't get you anything. Even more of a reason why the Jazz should try and tade into another first round pick if possible.

It's also another reason to hope for a Boozer S&T (with a team fully or partially under the cap).

Thanks for the Siler link. My guess is we use the full MLE on Wes and sign him longterm.

Yea, I wasn't banking on any great MLE additions anyways. I don't like signing him to the full MLE (like 5 mil-ish) but it's better than losing him. Hopefully a long-term 3-4 mil contract.

I'm still hoping his value is more around the LLE. I guess we'll have to see what kind of offers he gets. I just dont' think he's going to be a hot commodity out there in free agency. He's a guy that fits the Jazz like a glove, but, there aren't many teams out there that you could say the same.

I think He is a must have back player, Remember folks the kid was a rook, and was better than Brew. (Hell, I thought he was our best wing)
I think back to the improvement in Brew and Miles over the past years, if Wes follows a similar curve......wow!

Wes = MLE?..

No. No.It is quite out of the question.

2mil/year is right.

espn32 wrote:Wes = MLE?..

No. No.It is quite out of the question.

2mil/year is right.

And just how much is that bag of **** Chucker J. Miles making? Too much.

Wes is a GREAT pickup for the MLE. He's only going to get better.

TroutBum wrote:

espn32 wrote:Wes = MLE?..

No. No.It is quite out of the question.

2mil/year is right.

And just how much is that bag of **** Chucker J. Miles making? Too much.

Wes is a GREAT pickup for the MLE. He's only going to get better.

Are you **** crazy? He went undrafted for a reason. For starters, he's an SG that should be in his physical prime and he's gotten stuffed by the rim on an uncontested dunk. I've seen a number of plays at the rim where any other guy with prototypical height, length, or athleticism would be able to finish and he can't. The only thing he's going to improve on is his passing, maybe his shot-selection, and maybe his shooting (though with his mechanics and with how long it took him to become anything near a shooting threat in the NCAA, I doubt he'll ever shoot significantly above 38% from 3). He's a smart player that works hard, but he's short for his position (honestly doesn't look taller than Deron to me), not especially long, and has white-guy athleticism. He's not going to get that much better.

And allow me to be clear, I was one of the first on the Matthews bandwagon and I'd be quite bummed if the Jazz lost him. I think he was the most consistent wing on the entire team this year (which says more about how poor the wing play has been than necessarily an endorsement as Wes for ROY).

Beyond that, teams are going to blow their cap money on big-time players or are going cheap with the impending 2011 CBA. No one is going to endanger their pursuit of a legit star or their future cap situation for Wesley Matthews. The Jazz should wait out the summer on this situation and let the market dictate his price. I'm 80%+ certain he'll be kept and for about half of what you and other like-minded fools are suggesting.

Ok so KOC got on the radio today and it sounded like re-signing Matthews would NOT use the MLE. It was still a bit confusing but he said that if another team tried to re-sign him for more than the MLE that we could still sign him. So...not exactly sure how it works but I'm pretty sure it DOES NOT use the MLE to re-sign him.

NUMBERICA wrote:

TroutBum wrote:

espn32 wrote:Wes = MLE?..

No. No.It is quite out of the question.

2mil/year is right.

And just how much is that bag of **** Chucker J. Miles making? Too much.

Wes is a GREAT pickup for the MLE. He's only going to get better.

Are you **** crazy? He went undrafted for a reason. For starters, he's an SG that should be in his physical prime and he's gotten stuffed by the rim on an uncontested dunk. I've seen a number of plays at the rim where any other guy with prototypical height, length, or athleticism would be able to finish and he can't. The only thing he's going to improve on is his passing, maybe his shot-selection, and maybe his shooting (though with his mechanics and with how long it took him to become anything near a shooting threat in the NCAA, I doubt he'll ever shoot significantly above 38% from 3). He's a smart player that works hard, but he's short for his position (honestly doesn't look taller than Deron to me), not especially long, and has white-guy athleticism. He's not going to get that much better.

And allow me to be clear, I was one of the first on the Matthews bandwagon and I'd be quite bummed if the Jazz lost him. I think he was the most consistent wing on the entire team this year (which says more about how poor the wing play has been than necessarily an endorsement as Wes for ROY).

Beyond that, teams are going to blow their cap money on big-time players or are going cheap with the impending 2011 CBA. No one is going to endanger their pursuit of a legit star or their future cap situation for Wesley Matthews. The Jazz should wait out the summer on this situation and let the market dictate his price. I'm 80%+ certain he'll be kept and for about half of what you and other like-minded fools are suggesting.

*flagged for personal attack and for being a jackass/yourself*

CJ makes 3.7Mil per year with no increase. About what Wes will probably get (I'm guessing 3-4mil). He might get the whole exception, but I doubt the Jazz offer that too him right away. He might have to get another team to sign him to that for the Jazz to match it.

TroutBum wrote:*flagged for personal attack and for being a jackass/yourself*

For being as big of a prick as I am, you should probably have some idea what you're talking about or thicker skin.

Over-valuing pure role-players is what has screwed this franchise financially. Because of extending Memo for no reason, Boozer likely goes at no compensation to the Jazz. Because Harpring was given 4 years, the only promising PG backup since Eisley (an asset that could've also meant more in another trade as well) had to be dumped. AK's monstrosity of a contract sets the context for all of this.

Giving Matthews a multi-year MLE deal would be on par with those decisions, especially with the new, cheap, CBA just around the corner. Why people want the Jazz to bid against themselves and overpay for players is not within my scope of understanding.

If someone offers him a full MLE deal, let them regret that decision and say thanks to Matthews for a good year. This isn't Raja Bell, Shane Battier, Bruce Bowen, James Posey, Trevor Ariza, or Anthony Parker here (and some of those dudes signed for significantly less in years where teams were throwing around money).