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The Mavs have the money to spend and like Boozer. They can only get Boozer in sign and trade deal. Of course, it means Boozer would have to want to go there instead of Miami or Nets because Mavs are contenders. Here is a deal that works under the cap.

Boozer for Jason Terry, Najera, and 2011 #1 pick. Terry wants to play in Utah and can provide outside shooting and a somewhat reasonable contract. He can start at Shooting guard moving Matthews to back up shooting guard as well as give the Jazz protection in case Matthews signs a ridiculous contract with someone else. Najera gives the Jazz front court protection in case Kosta and Fess cannot develop.

Dallas fans will be the first to tell you that Terry cannot start at shooting guard...he's never really been able to do it in all the time he's been there.

I actually like Terry but I think he's too old and too expensive (and not good enough a fit) for us at this point.

Why does Terry want to play in Utah? Because he signed an offer sheet how many years ago?

They don't need to go for protection. Najera isn't a big man. If Kosta and Fes flunk out, Najera is not going to be the answer to the problem.

Why pay Terry and Najera?? Id rather pay Boozer...

We need to address needs. Signing Boozer does not address a need, and neither does trading him for those guys...

I really doubt the Jazz do a sign-and-trade of Boozer to a team without cap space. The only way I see a Boozer S&T happening is if two teams with cap-space have significantly outbid the Jazz and one of those teams convinces Utah to do a S&T to give Boozer bigger annual raises.

HolyToledo wrote:The Mavs have the money to spend and like Boozer. They can only get Boozer in sign and trade deal. Of course, it means Boozer would have to want to go there instead of Miami or Nets because Mavs are contenders. Here is a deal that works under the cap.

Boozer for Jason Terry, Najera, and 2011 #1 pick. Terry wants to play in Utah and can provide outside shooting and a somewhat reasonable contract. He can start at Shooting guard moving Matthews to back up shooting guard as well as give the Jazz protection in case Matthews signs a ridiculous contract with someone else. Najera gives the Jazz front court protection in case Kosta and Fess cannot develop.

HA HA HA HA LMAO

A sign and trade of Boozer only works with a team that is over the cap, otherwise they would sign him outright. Miami, Chicago, Knicks, etc can sign him without sending anyone Utahs way unless they hate a certain player that the Jazz like...maybe someone like Beasily.

Boozer is gone for sure as the Jazz would have to pay him the max for him to stay. If the Jazz match an offer by another team than Boozer leaves for that other team. Boozer rather be in New York, chicago or miami than utah. If you think otherwise, you are fooling yourself. Boozer only went to utah for the money and will only stay in utah if they pay him the most money.

Not sure why you guys want a guy that simply plays for your team for the money. I simply want someone for this slug.

HolyToledo wrote:Not sure why you guys want a guy that simply plays for your team for the money.

Who has said that? Re-read the thread.

I personally have no problem with S&T-ing Boozer if we can, and if it makes sense. This trade does not make sense. I'm not adding a contract the size and length of Terry's to the books just so we can say we got something.

HolyToledo wrote:A sign and trade of Boozer only works with a team that is over the cap, otherwise they would sign him outright.

Not true. What if Chicago and Miami are both vying for his talents. Carlos is torn between the two. Miami says we will do a s&t that way he gets more money for more years than what Chicago is offering. That would help make his mind up.

S&T's need to be better understood. Almost every contract signed by a free agent this summer that is leaving a former team and going to a team under the cap will be signed and traded to their new team. Why? Because even though it will stink for say Cleveland to lose Lebron without compensation, they can pick up a $12- $15M trade exception to use on a player of their choice. Cleveland is currently over the cap like the Jazz and are years away from being able to have the space under the cap to sign a big time free agent, but now by paritcipating in the signing of their franchise player as he heads out of town, they then have the option for 1yr to go sign a max free agent themselves with the trade exception.

Most teams including the Jazz love this option because a trade exception is an asset. You can use it to take back a player and his contract without giving anything up in return. It allows you to do things like we see OKC doing now, and like we did with the trade with Phoenix 6 years ago that originally netted us the NYK pick.

Players that we could easily take on this year and next if we so desire with Boozer's trade exception:

Rip Hamilton
Gerald Wallace
Luol Deng
etc etc etc

For players they love it because it can possibly add a year to their contract and increase the total overall value of the contract because the % increase year over year is higher when you are signed by your current team.

There is really no scenario under which I see Carlos Boozer not being signed and traded by the Jazz to his future team.

Well, it looks like Dirk may not be back in Dallas, so maybe a S+T of Boozer for Dirk? I don't know if you can do a double sign and trade though.

babyjax13 wrote:Well, it looks like Dirk may not be back in Dallas, so maybe a S+T of Boozer for Dirk? I don't know if you can do a double sign and trade though.

Dirk is absolutely going to be back in Dallas, he just didn't pick up his option so he can sign a longer contract there.

Bat wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:Well, it looks like Dirk may not be back in Dallas, so maybe a S+T of Boozer for Dirk? I don't know if you can do a double sign and trade though.

Dirk is absolutely going to be back in Dallas, he just didn't pick up his option so he can sign a longer contract there.

Agreed. Just like Brand did with L.A. and Boozer did in Cleveland. Wait... uh oh.

HolyToledo wrote:A sign and trade of Boozer only works with a team that is over the cap, otherwise they would sign him outright. Miami, Chicago, Knicks, etc can sign him without sending anyone Utahs way unless they hate a certain player that the Jazz like...maybe someone like Beasily.

Boozer is gone for sure as the Jazz would have to pay him the max for him to stay. If the Jazz match an offer by another team than Boozer leaves for that other team. Boozer rather be in New York, chicago or miami than utah. If you think otherwise, you are fooling yourself. Boozer only went to utah for the money and will only stay in utah if they pay him the most money.

Not sure why you guys want a guy that simply plays for your team for the money. I simply want someone for this slug.

Not entirely true. For instance, if Boozer and another team come to a mutual agreement but the team already has a player locked up at PF. They would look to S&T instead of signing Boozer outright. Like Orlando for instance. Say Booz decides he really wants to play in Orlando and Orlando shares the same sentiment. In this case Orlando would look to move Bass and/or Gortat. No sense having so many players locked up in the front court. Or even a team with cap space like Minn. MInnesota wouldn't just sign Booz outright because they would then have Booz, Love and Jefferson. No point there either.

So there is a possibility that there is a sign and trade involving Booz.

QuantumMacgyver wrote:

Bat wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:Well, it looks like Dirk may not be back in Dallas, so maybe a S+T of Boozer for Dirk? I don't know if you can do a double sign and trade though.

Dirk is absolutely going to be back in Dallas, he just didn't pick up his option so he can sign a longer contract there.

Agreed. Just like Brand did with L.A. and Boozer did in Cleveland. Wait... uh oh.

Almost every party, including Dirk has noted that he will return to Dallas.

Bat wrote:

QuantumMacgyver wrote:

Bat wrote:Almost every party, including Dirk has noted that he will return to Dallas.

So did Brand.

QuantumMacgyver wrote:So did Brand.

The difference between playing for Sterling and for Cuban is gigantic. Also, the Clippers didn't offer Brand as much money as the Sixers did, and you can bet the Mavs will completely max out Dirk.

Bat wrote:

QuantumMacgyver wrote:So did Brand.

The difference between playing for Sterling and for Cuban is gigantic. Also, the Clippers didn't offer Brand as much money as the Sixers did, and you can bet the Mavs will completely max out Dirk.

I agree. I'm just saying both Brand and Boozer were "sure things" when it came to resigning. Both bolted. It could get interesting. My money is on Dirk staying in D, but it is hardly a sure thing.

If this is all we can get for Boozer Toledo I'd rather just keep him.