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Post#1 » by Purch » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:05 am

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Chris Paul(notes) had come into the NBA with so much of Kevin Durant’s(notes) pureness of purpose: humble, grateful, still the kid who worked summers pumping gas and changing tires at his grandfather’s gas station in North Carolina. He constructed himself a reputation of values and character, and separated himself in all the best ways.

He should stay on course to be his generation’s Tim Duncan(notes), but that no longer appeals to Paul. He’s veered the wrong way, into the wrong clutches. Bad enough that LeBron James(notes) damaged his own standing in the sport this summer, he wants to take down Chris Paul with him too.



In Paul’s earliest days with Team USA, officials preferred Deron Williams(notes) to him because they believed Williams was far more his own man. No one liked the way Paul was so eager to follow James, Carmelo Anthony(notes) and Dwyane Wade(notes). These changes haven’t come overnight with Paul, but over time. James, Carter and Wesley embarked on a long, orchestrated campaign to work Paul over, unfasten him from past loyalties and trusts, and transform him into a creation of their own.

And he’s let them, for no other reason than it seems Chris Paul believes this is somehow the path that will convince people that he belongs with the sport’s biggest stars. He could’ve stayed true to himself and elevated his standing, and now they’re dragging him down with them. Everyone else embraced Paul for an All-American image, for a wholesomeness, and it feels like he’s rejected it all now.

Chris Paul doesn’t need LeBron and Maverick and Wes. They need him. For their operation, Paul represents credibility. He’s always been better than this, and he needs to be again. As much as ever, the NBA needs Chris Paul to be true to his upbringing and character. Commitment always mattered to him, and it still should with the Hornets.


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Post#2 » by The59Sound » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:17 am

Sounds about right.
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Post#3 » by HammerDunk » Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:15 am

There are so many things that are so much more important than money in this world, but the lust for money almost always seems to win. It happens everywhere, but is more shocking to see happen to two seemingly well rounded NBA stars that everyone liked a year ago. Hopefully, for the people of NO and Paul, this is a Karl Malone type demand, making sure the people know what he is worth to them, but really not much more than that. Given recent events, I seriously doubt that.

I hope this article is true about DWill, that he is more his own man and doesn't get caught up in the petty games his buddies are playing. Whether he stays in Utah or not, I really hope he stays true to himself and his (perceived) values.

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Post#4 » by hoops4life » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:19 pm

You mean the same pure and innocent player that cheap shot another dude in the nuts? I have never thought this guy was wholesome.
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Post#5 » by Bruteque » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:46 am

This is hilarious:

http://leeinks.weei.com/sports/2010/07/24/rumor-james-advises-paul-to-stay-west

According to a tweet by Cavs beat writer Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, LeBron James is advising Chris Paul to seek a trade, but to stay in the Western Conference to keep it competitive."


Yeah, like he joined Wade in Miami to "keep it competitive"? Right...

"The King" sure didn't waste any time after he heard that CP3 wanted to go to Orlando to form another "superteam" in The...ahem...King's Eastern Conference. If anybody still had any respect left for LeBron, I think it's all gone now.
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Post#6 » by carrottop12 » Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:06 am

I am not really sure why everyone hates LeBron so much right now.

The choice to air "The Decision" was a poor one, but it still got 10,000,000 viewers so obviously there was a demand for it.

Blaming LeBron for Paul wanting to bail makes no sense.
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Post#7 » by outerspacefella » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:08 pm

Nobody "hates" LePussJane... it's just he's using his position as an elite sports public man to show and exemplify everything that's wrong in every possible sense.

I don't "hate" Jane, but I know I will hate every father buying a Jane replica jersey to his son, and I hate the media hype... and I know I won't be watching Miami games this next season, not even the games against the Jazz.

That's all I can do, and I will do it.

As for Paul, he's just an idiot if he follows Jane's crew advice; he's a millionaire and a sport star on his own... yet he still feels a need to be a primadonna? Come on dude, that's really bad for you. Jane's addiction to himself is his own stupidity... but you're not even the owner of your own stupidity.
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Post#8 » by HammerDunk » Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:46 pm

Just because there is a demand for something, doesn't make it right or worthwhile.
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Post#9 » by carrottop12 » Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:16 pm

HammerDunk wrote:Just because there is a demand for something, doesn't make it right or worthwhile.


I just don't understand why people are so mad at him all of a sudden. Is it because of the team he chose? Is it because he did a stupid one hour TV show? BFD.

The owners and the players of the league set up a system that allowed him to sign with a different team, and when he got his opportunity that was well with in the rules he made the most of it.

He went from being a generally well liked player to being the most hated player in the league in one hour? Give me a break. Considering how he got asked questions about where he was going in 2010 every day over the past 2 and a half years, I thought he was extremely professional with the exception of 1 hour during that entire span. And even the one hour special wasn't completely awful, it could have been a lot worse.

Personally I am excited to see the Heat play, and I am excited to see what LeBron can actually do when he is surrounded by other superstars.
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Post#10 » by The59Sound » Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:27 pm

Well... fair enough, Bat, but you don't have a lot of company in that view. His behavior is utterly indefensible and pathetic. It's one thing to leave; it's another to rip your team's and your city's heart and soul out on national TV, while not bothering to give management a heads-up (a heads-up that was given to another potential suitor you never even took seriously).

And you talk about being asked about it for two and a half years as if that's not exactly what he wanted. LeBron James is probably sitting in a dark room right now masturbating to his own highlights, while his management team stands there telling him what great form he has on his jerking.

He's miles past pitiful.
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Post#11 » by HammerDunk » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:04 am

Well, I'm not sure you would have that same view if the Jazz had the 1-2 best player in the league, who had constantly been touting his hometown this and that, but then pulled that BS tv show to say he was taking his talents to "south beach". Not only for the reason that you are losing that player, but that it would put the Jazz organization back to before Stockton/Malone in terms of being able to attract ANY free agents worth getting. Cleveland is so screwed, and won't recover from this for a decade, if they ever do.

So, I don't give a crap that he went to Miami. It certainly shows his weakness and laziness in terms of earning the legendary status that he desires. He is taking a shortcut, which will greatly diminish any accolades he acquires. That's fine, that's his choice. The way he did it, alienating his fanbase, was simply immature and quite frankly a stupid move in so many ways. He has known for years he didn't want to stay in Cleveland (not telling Ariza he would come back, for example), why couldn't he give his team a heads up?

If DWill leaves Utah that way, I will hate him too. If he leaves Utah, and does it professionally and cordially, I won't lose any respect at all. If he stays in Utah, he will be a legend in my mind. It's that simple.

I don't know if you've ever played sports Bat, but when you play on the team stacked with all the best players, you think it's awesome and that there is nothing wrong with it, but you aren't facing tough competition and won't grow at all game-wise. When you play on the other team, it sucks bad, but at the same time you are facing tougher competition which will make you a better player. Even when you play pickup ball, and one team is clearly better than the other, you switch up players to make it more entertaining. It's like an unwritten rule, and a concept lost on a lot of guys in the current state of the league. How entertaining would it be to watch a blowout every night? No thanks. The only thing that I like about this is the chance for the Jazz to beat their asses and make victory that much sweeter.

Finally, Chris Paul demanding a trade to certain teams, after being convinced by LeQueen, and after signing a contract to play that still has 2 years left is immature and a sign of a real Marbury-esque thing going on in his head. If I were the GM, I would trade his ass to the Clippers and doom him to NBA obscurity for at least 2 years.
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Post#12 » by Bruteque » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:15 am

Bat wrote:I just don't understand why people are so mad at him all of a sudden. Is it because of the team he chose? Is it because he did a stupid one hour TV show? BFD.

The owners and the players of the league set up a system that allowed him to sign with a different team, and when he got his opportunity that was well with in the rules he made the most of it.

He went from being a generally well liked player to being the most hated player in the league in one hour? Give me a break. Considering how he got asked questions about where he was going in 2010 every day over the past 2 and a half years, I thought he was extremely professional with the exception of 1 hour during that entire span. And even the one hour special wasn't completely awful, it could have been a lot worse.

Personally I am excited to see the Heat play, and I am excited to see what LeBron can actually do when he is surrounded by other superstars.


I don't see how this is so hard to understand. Some reasons to abandon your hometown loyalty are just far less admirable than others. If LeBron left a non-contending team to try to lead a contending team to a championship, the fans would have been much more sympathetic. However, LeBron left his back-to-back 60+-win best-record-in-the-league hometown team to ride Wade's coattail on a team Wade has already taken to a championship just to make it easier on himself to win a title.

If it was just that, it only made him a coward who abandoned his hometown loyalty when he didn't need to to contend. With the "let's keep it competitive" **** he's feeding CP3 just so LeBron can have less competition in the East, his cowardice is further accentuated, and he adds hypocrite to his resume. It's not really that hard to understand.
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Post#13 » by ColdBlue » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:56 am

I really don't get the hate either. Maybe if I was a Cavalier fan then sure...
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Post#14 » by The59Sound » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:24 am

ColdBlue wrote:I really don't get the hate either. Maybe if I was a Cavalier fan then sure...


Say it ain't so, Cold! You hate with so little provocation, I was sure you'd have our backs on this one! 8-)
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Post#15 » by HammerDunk » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:40 am

A year ago, I really like Lebron, and loved watching him play ball. I thought, this guy has everything it takes to do what Jordan did. The skills, the work ethic, the fanbase, a clean history, and a legendary story in the making. I loved that he was free-wheeling and seemingly happy with where he was. I thought it was great that basketball kids out there had someone that is the best at basketball that was actually a good example. Forgive me if I'm more than a little miffed that this guy threw all that away to join (what is to me) an exclusive club or click where it is "members only". You know, the kids in high school that thought they were more important or special than all the others. I look at him the same way I did them, as a complete waste of space and time.
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Post#16 » by carrottop12 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:47 am

Bruteque wrote:I don't see how this is so hard to understand. Some reasons to abandon your hometown loyalty are just far less admirable than others. If LeBron left a non-contending team to try to lead a contending team to a championship, the fans would have been much more sympathetic. However, LeBron left his back-to-back 60+-win best-record-in-the-league hometown team to ride Wade's coattail on a team Wade has already taken to a championship just to make it easier on himself to win a title.

If it was just that, it only made him a coward who abandoned his hometown loyalty when he didn't need to to contend. With the "let's keep it competitive" **** he's feeding CP3 just so LeBron can have less competition in the East, his cowardice is further accentuated, and he adds hypocrite to his resume. It's not really that hard to understand.


Home town my ass. Seriously who cares about home town? Why do you have to have loyalty to a town you just happened to be born in? 98% of the other players in the league don't play for their home town, who cares if James does? Should we be mad at D-Wade for signing in Chicago because that is his hometown? Give me a break. Cleveland tanked an entire season with hopes of getting him, that's a far worse practice than leaving a team legally in free agency. If I made 100's of millions of dollars, I might keep a house in SLC, but you better believe I would spend the majority of my time NYC in the summer and Florida or Cali in the winter.

Another thing I don't get is, if he had left for Chicago to join Amare, or if he had recruited Bosh to head to Chicago with him, would people be mad? How much different is leaving Cleveland for a team with Bosh, Rose, and Noah than leaving a team for Bosh and Wade?

I just think it's funny that people here act like they wouldn't do exactly what LeBron is doing also. I know at my work I have a checklist of things I look for that make up a good job, why should he be any different.

I want to be successful: Winning championships is the definition of success.
I want to enjoy the people I work with: He and Wade and Bosh are very old friends.
I want to work with people who are as competent as I am: No better than Wade and Bosh.
I want to work in a fun environment: South Beach vs. The mistake by the Lake
I want to like my bosses: Dan Gilbert vs. Pat Riley

As far as growing as a player, he's taken that crappy team to back to back 60 win seasons only to be ousted in the second round twice. That roster around him is terrible and Byron Scott wasn't lying, they probably drop to a 30 win team with out James. Why should he have to hope that his incompetent owner/GM can trade for players to make his team better? KG did that and said it was the worst mistake of his career. It's not easy to rely on other people to do things for you, being proactive is the best way to do it. Instead of waiting to acquire a guy like Amare in a trade he decided to join a team that already had those pieces in place. Why is that such a bad thing? Teams aren't dying to give away their best players to other teams. Nobody was offering Gasol to the Cavs for garbage. Why should LeBron have to be a martyr to keep the town of Cleveland happy?

All of this self righteousness from fans is a mirage trying to disguise the envy of another team having what we want. Are we seriously going to say we would turn down LeBron or Kobe or Wade in free agency for the sake of competition? :rofl:

LeBron wants to win championships, and he put himself in the best possible position to do it. What is wrong with that?
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Post#17 » by DelaneyRudd » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:49 am

The Cavs didn't tank, they were that bad. The Celtics tanked and lost the lottery.
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Post#18 » by carrottop12 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:52 am

DelaneyRudd wrote:The Cavs didn't tank, they were that bad. The Celtics tanked and lost the lottery.


I'm pretty sure the Celtics made the playoffs that year.
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Post#19 » by babyjax13 » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:37 pm

Bat wrote:
DelaneyRudd wrote:The Cavs didn't tank, they were that bad. The Celtics tanked and lost the lottery.


I'm pretty sure the Celtics made the playoffs that year.


I think he is talking about the year Duncan got drafted - of course a lot of teams tanked that year and one of them ended up winning : )
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Post#20 » by hoops4life » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:09 pm

The Cavs tanked and shipped out their decent players. It isn't the fact that he left but how he left.

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