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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaDDgqHuD-I

^ Recap of a classic game from the 80s. Footage of the Jazz during the early years of Malone and Stockton (w/ Dantley there) is rare.

neat, gotta watch this when I get home

Old dicky is the Ref in that game!lmao

Wow, Pace Mannion throws down a dunk on the fast break at about the 4:12 mark.

Also a nice elbow to Rambis' face by Karl at the 5:16 mark.

Awesome Stockton-to-Malone at 7:55.

Lots of ugly passes for turnovers by Adrian Dantley...

those were a couple of great teams. the trouble with those jazz teams is that they had no history or identity to fall back on. layden was just shooting to win more home games and advance one more round in the playoffs. that team, with today's sloan, would have box out more, hustle more, and make less mistakes preventable by simple discipline.

*sigh* what cudda been. it makes a fans heart hurt. this jazz team should watch some more of those retro games and realize they have more advantages and discipline now and are still having the same results.

MeestR wrote:those were a couple of great teams. the trouble with those jazz teams is that they had no history or identity to fall back on. layden was just shooting to win more home games and advance one more round in the playoffs. that team, with today's sloan, would have box out more, hustle more, and make less mistakes preventable by simple discipline.

*sigh* what cudda been. it makes a fans heart hurt. this jazz team should watch some more of those retro games and realize they have more advantages and discipline now and are still having the same results.

I'm a Laker fan, but notice the crowd in that building. For my money, the old Salt Palace was about the rowdiest building in the league in those days outside of maybe Boston. Maybe. Something in me doesn't like all the transplant Laker (many Kobe-only) fans in places like Utah, Phx, SA, Sac these days. Even as good as they were back then, you'd maybe see 2-3 people in LA gear in opposing buildings. It just hearkens back to an era where the game was grimier, nastier, more hostile, less sanitized, less class system'd. I miss all the above. I want the kind of heated series that we had in 1988 as opposed to the fairly soft series we've had the last 2 yrs. Course you can't even express anything but sweetness and light anymore so casual fans, kids, and women rejoice.

hourockman wrote:

MeestR wrote:those were a couple of great teams. the trouble with those jazz teams is that they had no history or identity to fall back on. layden was just shooting to win more home games and advance one more round in the playoffs. that team, with today's sloan, would have box out more, hustle more, and make less mistakes preventable by simple discipline.

*sigh* what cudda been. it makes a fans heart hurt. this jazz team should watch some more of those retro games and realize they have more advantages and discipline now and are still having the same results.

I'm a Laker fan, but notice the crowd in that building. For my money, the old Salt Palace was about the rowdiest building in the league in those days outside of maybe Boston. Maybe. Something in me doesn't like all the transplant Laker (many Kobe-only) fans in places like Utah, Phx, SA, Sac these days. Even as good as they were back then, you'd maybe see 2-3 people in LA gear in opposing buildings. It just hearkens back to an era where the game was grimier, nastier, more hostile, less sanitized, less class system'd. I miss all the above. I want the kind of heated series that we had in 1988 as opposed to the fairly soft series we've had the last 2 yrs. Course you can't even express anything but sweetness and light anymore so casual fans, kids, and women rejoice.

Ya I'm on the same page with you, I really do miss the grit of the old days.

So many guys on those teams still involved in the game.

DelaneyRudd wrote:So many guys on those teams still involved in the game.

It's because they actually loved the game of basketball. Most players just don't have the same kind of passion as the old school players did.

Side note....did anyone notice HE is an assistant head coach on the Clippers? I never knew that until I saw him behind the Clipper bench last night....didn't know he was into the coaching thing.

Holy **** John Stockton is fast.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:

DelaneyRudd wrote:So many guys on those teams still involved in the game.

It's because they actually loved the game of basketball. Most players just don't have the same kind of passion as the old school players did.

Side note....did anyone notice HE is an assistant head coach on the Clippers? I never knew that until I saw him behind the Clipper bench last night....didn't know he was into the coaching thing.

Huh? So that's why Eddie Curry isn't a head coach, huh? I think it has more to do with two great systems that looked for guys with the right stuff, plus enough time has passed for guys like Kupcheck and Rambis and AD to get their turn. Coaches, executives, broadcasters, hall of famers. You wouldn't see them so plentiful on every broadcast from 86.

That was great, thanks!

Great find. Were all games back then that fast paced? or was it just the editing?

wow they were so close that year from nocking off the champs. What a cool Jazz team. I wish Eaton was healthy in 1992 i think the Jazz would have beat the Blazers and moved onto the finals! almost in 96 too. The jazz vs Bulls could have been the new celtics vs Lakers.

Jampod wrote:Great find. Were all games back then that fast paced? or was it just the editing?

The Western Conf was GENERALLY high paced back then and the East was generally slug-it-out. Those dynamics still exist today, but it seemed that in the early 80s, they were more pronounced than they are today. The Lakers were the best at fast breaking because they had Magic at the lead and also because they had 2 coaches (Westhead and Riley) who drilled them on transition scoring during 3 hr marathon sessions. For 4 years, LA had both Magic and Norm Nixon. They didn't lose much when they would sub one for the other, Norm could've been a STAR as a starting 1 on most other teams during his prime. Westhead is probably the most notorious fastbreak advocate in both NBA and NCAA Div 1 history, BSPN just did a 30-for-30 special on him called "Guru of Go" (which I recommend if you want to see it -- they have it on Netflix). By the time he left LMU after Hank Gathers died, he had taken defense completely out of his gameplan, literally. He coached the Nuggets in 90/91 and they were scoring 170 points a game some nights and still getting beat. Skiles got the 30 assists against those Nuggets, btw, probably the only way that 30 assists was possible if Stockton or Magic couldn't do it.

Anyway, I have other Laker games from the early days of Showtime, at least a few more featuring the old Jazz. They were a running team even before the days of Stockton, they avg'd 115 ppg in 1984. Dantley and Griffith were athletic guys. They had Danny Schayes playing C for them for a couple yrs and he was a finesse runner/shooter type who eventually made his way to Denver under Doug Moe who had nothing but bigs like him (Kiki and Issel). Then they got Thurl Bailey who was about 6'11" and weighed only about 220, so he could run too. Utah was a team that depended on their Gs and Fs for the bulk of scoring, the big guys weren't really spotlighted until they got Malone. That was either due to them just getting the most out of what they had or due to the fact that it was hard to find a dominant big in the draft unless you were losing 55-60 gms a year. They actually lucked into Malone because Dallas reneged on a promise they made to Karl. They took Detlef instead, then they made that move worse by dealing him in a bad trade to Indy, where he became a notable player. If Malone didn't come out of a small school, it's very doubtful he would've dropped as far as he did.