Jazz on the Brink

JDubJazz · Post #1 » by **JDubJazz** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:55 pm

Where to from here?

If Deron Williams recent comments are any indication, nowhere good. It seems more and more clear that Deron is frustrated with the coaching staff, and by frustrated, I mean pissed off. Its clear that Deron doesn't like the direction of the team or the style that we are playing. The question is, do the Jazz side with Deron, or with Coach Sloan? I really cant see both coexisting much longer.

So the Jazz are on the brink. Blow up the coaching staff and the Jazz's 25-year philosophy, or trade their franchise player before he demands a trade or refuses to re-sign. I have no idea how this will play out, but I am certainly curious to see.

Lava Rock Kid · Post #2 » by **Lava Rock Kid** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:28 pm

Deron either quit/or serverely outplayed at boston, he has no room to complain. He seams to want to run, well he is the one walking up the ball with sloan on the sidelines trying to get the team to quickly move.

JDubJazz · Post #3 » by **JDubJazz** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:38 pm

I agree. Deron's walk doesn't seem to be matching his talk.

jackolso · Post #4 » by **jackolso** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:39 pm

GP · Post #5 » by GP » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:07 pm

I read the DWill's quotes from the tribune today:

Making a verbal or physical statement to inspire the team: "Well, if I do that then I'm the bad guy; I'm the villain. So I'm going to keep my mouth shut."

??? Guys have any idea what he is referring to?

Williams on Sloan being reluctant to change the starting lineup: "It's never been his characteristics to change anything."

I really like sloan, but sometimes I feel like if his game plan isn't working rather than try something, he gets ready for his post game interview "the other team just out played and out hustled us..." quote.

jazzed77 · Post #6 » by **jazzed77** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:18 pm

At what point does Sloan get held responsible???? If the Jazz win it's cuz if him & THE SYSTEM, if the Jazz lose, the players didn't give enough effort...if Sloan calls out a player in public hes being tuff if a player calls out Sloan they're whiny bitches....

yonexpro1 · Post #7 » by **yonexpro1** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:13 am

LMAO deron is already a villain to anyone he meets in real life, dude is a total dick.

I think we part with both, to be honest dwill is playing really bad and uninspired, and sloans schemes seem to be getting lost in time or just mis executed.

jazzed77 · Post #8 » by **jazzed77** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:14 am

yonexpro1 wrote:LMAO deron is already a villain to anyone he meets in real life, dude is a total dick.

I think we part with both, to be honest dwill is playing really bad and uninspired, and sloans schemes seem to be getting lost in time or just mis executed.

Really??? DWill's interviews remind me of Stock's....very short and to the point....course I've never met either in real life so what do I know....

QuantumMacgyver · Post #9 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:15 am

yonexpro1 wrote:LMAO deron is already a villain to anyone he meets in real life, dude is a total dick.

I think we part with both, to be honest dwill is playing really bad and uninspired, and sloans schemes seem to be getting lost in time or just mis executed.

D-Will is a total dick? Look at the rest of the NBA. Compared to Lebron and Carmelo he is a saint. The guys tired of losing. Tired of scrapping for every win.

Neon Black · Post #10 » by **Neon Black** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:23 am

Deron's quote about being the villain was in answer to a question on whether he becomes the guy who starts yelling and throwing stuff around in the locker room. He's right; when a team is down like this, and when Deron himself is playing poorly, that kind of reaction only destroys morale. Raja Bell said the exact same thing, he just expressed it a little better.

These guys are in a slump. The good news is I really don't see how they could play any worse. I'm going to keep watching, hoping for that breakout game that gets the wheels turning. I hope it's soon.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #11 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:43 am

If D-Will is trying to go up against the coaching staff he is going to lose. Bad.

I would give my vote to the coaches over ANY player in the NBA. There is over a hundred years of NBA basketball experience on the coaches side....is it really a question of who to side with?

Deron has to take a look in the mirror if he is looking for answers as to why the team is playing so poorly. He has been HORRIBLE lately. Baron freaking Davis has looked like a better point guard than he has lately.

I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't make the all-star team with how badly he has looked lately and how well the other guards in the West have been playing. Guys in front of him? Westbrook, Kobe, Ellis, CP3...should I keep going?

TDIDDY · Post #12 » by **TDIDDY** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:18 am

Dwill isn't a leader he's nowhere near the leader Stockton wasand he never will be!

JDubJazz · Post #13 » by **JDubJazz** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:30 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:If D-Will is trying to go up against the coaching staff he is going to lose. Bad.

I would give my vote to the coaches over ANY player in the NBA. There is over a hundred years of NBA basketball experience on the coaches side....is it really a question of who to side with?

I think there actually is a question of who to side with, this time. Jerry and Phil are both near 70 years old. Like it or not, a major coaching change is coming sooner rather than later. I wonder, if push came to shove, if /Greg Miller would really let Deron go, in order to appease a coach who is on his way out the door anyway

BarneyGumble · Post #14 » by **BarneyGumble** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:57 pm

jackolso wrote:Maybe the Jazz will get it together and maybe they won’t. As far as Deron leaving, if he thinks the grass is going to be greener somewhere else, talk to Karl Malone, who could have been the NBA’s all time scoring leader--maybe for the next 100 years or so.

And still would have been ringless and not gotten his due respect. At least in LA he got to be liked by the league's fans for one year.

Deron is gone. And I would be too. Can't blame him. Why would a guy who is in the discussion for best at his position right now stay with the franchise where two guys who are in the same discussion ALL-TIME sacrificed a ringless career for a coach who will only get #1 all-time in wins when he is old enough to have a bed pan under his chair during games....

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #15 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:22 pm

JDubJazz wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:If D-Will is trying to go up against the coaching staff he is going to lose. Bad.

I would give my vote to the coaches over ANY player in the NBA. There is over a hundred years of NBA basketball experience on the coaches side....is it really a question of who to side with?

I think there actually is a question of who to side with, this time. Jerry and Phil are both near 70 years old. Like it or not, a major coaching change is coming sooner rather than later. I wonder, if push came to shove, if /Greg Miller would really let Deron go, in order to appease a coach who is on his way out the door anyway

LHM would roll over in his grave if his son fired the coaching staff over an underperforming, bad attitude, lacking leadership player who is on his way out the door.

You guys need to look past your own biased views and look at the facts. Sloan has been voted as a top 5 coach by the league for the past 8-10 seasons and is already a HOF coach, Phil Johnson has been voted as a top 5 assistant coach more than a few times and Ty Corbin has nearly been hired as a head coach for the last 3 seasons.

But of course, it must be the coaches fault that we're losing...we have such terrible coaches...they are so old and senile...how dare we hold the players accountable...we should fire a HOF coaching staff because a ONE time all star point guard is frustrated...

SMH

JDubJazz · Post #16 » by **JDubJazz** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:00 pm

The question isn't Sloan's "greatness," so much as his AGE. Sloan's on his way out the door anyway, but there MAY be a chance to salvage Deron.

kebutah · Post #17 » by **kebutah** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:01 pm

The honest truth is for the assembled team no coach is going to make any difference. We have an all star PG, a mid level underperforming overpaid SF, a mid level undersized PF, a less than mid level SG, and an unrefined untrained undersized C. Most of the big teams are trying to assemble big threes while we have a big one. When everybody plays near their ceiling we can win but consisently you can't compete for a title with a team thus constructed.

BarneyGumble · Post #18 » by **BarneyGumble** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:09 pm

kebutah wrote:The honest truth is for the assembled team no coach is going to make any difference. We have an all star PG, a mid level underperforming overpaid SF, a mid level undersized PF, a less than mid level SG, and an unrefined untrained undersized C. Most of the big teams are trying to assemble big threes while we have a big one. When everybody plays near their ceiling we can win but consisently you can't compete for a title with a team thus constructed.

This is pretty much the sad truth. And to make matters worse we are strapped for cash. AK coming off the books should help quite a bit.

The59Sound · Post #19 » by **The59Sound** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:43 pm

DWill_daShizzle wrote:
kebutah wrote:The honest truth is for the assembled team no coach is going to make any difference. We have an all star PG, a mid level underperforming overpaid SF, a mid level undersized PF, a less than mid level SG, and an unrefined untrained undersized C. Most of the big teams are trying to assemble big threes while we have a big one. When everybody plays near their ceiling we can win but consisently you can't compete for a title with a team thus constructed.

This is pretty much the sad truth. And to make matters worse we are strapped for cash. AK coming off the books should help quite a bit.

If I remember right, AK will put us like 6 or 7 million below the cap maybe? Under the current CBA, that would give us a room to re-sign him (probably to MLE-type money) and an Earl Watson-type bench guy.

Kind of a silly question: say we're $500,000 below the cap after those hypothetical signings -- could we still access the MLE to go over the cap, or do you have to already be over the cap to access the MLE?

I guess none of this matters anyway, since the new CBA will likely change an awful lot...

kebutah · Post #20 » by **kebutah** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:25 pm

In the current CBA you only get the exceptions when you are over the CAP. But don't forget that AK's salary counts against the CAP as a hold until he is signed, rescinded, or traded. So whether he is signed our not our projected salary with CAP holds will be over the CAP. Now we are back to your last statement, "I guess none of this matters anyway, since the new CBA will likely change an awful lot..."