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It may be true that no team can win it all in a small market like Salt Lake City. The Jazz hit the miracle in a couple of draft picks in Stockton and Malone and almost did it but for Mr. Jordan. Lets face it us, Jazz fans will never win it all when the team resides in this small market. The Utah fans are great and support their teams and maybe winning it all does not need to happen. I guess lets enjoy the Jazz in Utah and hope for the best. We are like the Sacramento Kings from my area, a small market team that cannot win it all. Vegas anyone?

HolyToledo wrote:It may be true that no team can win it all in a small market like Salt Lake City. The Jazz hit the miracle in a couple of draft picks in Stockton and Malone and almost did it but for Mr. Jordan. Lets face it us, Jazz fans will never win it all when the team resides in this small market. The Utah fans are great and support their teams and maybe winning it all does not need to happen. I guess lets enjoy the Jazz in Utah and hope for the best. We are like the Sacramento Kings from my area, a small market team that cannot win it all. Vegas anyone?

San Antonio says you're wrong. Plus, Vegas is a smaller market that SLC.

Players would definitely prefer to go to Vegas over Utah. There is no doubt about that!
Spurs, like Utah, hit the lottery in the draft getting Duncan after the Admiral got hurt. They also got lucky, maybe draft skill like the Jazz have had, in Ginobili and Parker in the draft. They also have a much better coach than the Jazz changing their offense to a run first guard oriented team that fits their roster. Sloan would never do that in a million years. Sloan doesnt modify his system to his players but demands the players change to fit his antiquated scheme.

Everything went right for the Spurs to have their run but I dont see free agents flocking to San Antonio either. Once Ginobili and Duncan are done than their team is done. They have 1-2 years left of championship runs.

Just like society, there will not be anymore middle class but only the rich (ie Lakers, Heat, Knicks, and Bulls) will win championships in the future.

jackolso wrote:Fans analyze, fantiasize, whine and complain about their favorite team's performance and possible changes to improve the team endlessly on the net,

Yes, I've noticed. They seem to start lots of wordy threads making the same points over and over again.

HolyToledo wrote:It may be true that no team can win it all in a small market like Salt Lake City. The Jazz hit the miracle in a couple of draft picks in Stockton and Malone and almost did it but for Mr. Jordan. Lets face it us, Jazz fans will never win it all when the team resides in this small market. The Utah fans are great and support their teams and maybe winning it all does not need to happen. I guess lets enjoy the Jazz in Utah and hope for the best. We are like the Sacramento Kings from my area, a small market team that cannot win it all. Vegas anyone?

Biggest load of garbage I have read all week.

First, let's educate you on your NBA history, Sacramento won one of the first NBA championships in 1951 when they were still the Royals. It may not exactly be modern day, but it has happened. Furthermore, small market teams like the San Antonio Spurs, Minneapolis Lakers, Portland Trail Blazers and the Milwaukee Bucks have won championships. Teams that have not include Dallas (a large market with unlimited spending potential), Phoenix, the Clippers (LA, San Diego, Buffalo), Denver, and Toronto. The only small market teams that have not won a championship are Utah, Memphis, Indiana and Charlotte.

Second, let's take a look at Las Vegas since you seem to be so fixated on them. Vegas does not facility that is adequately suited to an NBA team (and don't start with the 27 year old Thomas and Mack center), and the arena that was going to be built to accommodate an NBA team never started (it was supposed to be done last year). Vegas has NEVER had a professional "major-league" sports team, and it is because they don't have the TV market to support one. Furthermore, there is no significant difference in population between the two as Salt Lake is the 34th largest metropolitan area in the US, while Vegas is the 31st largest. Salt Lake is also the 31st largest TV market in the United States while Las Vegas is 42nd on the list, behind such notables as Grand Rapids, Greenville, Milwaukee and Birmingham.

You also underestimate the power of the Mormon influence on the Jazz. I live closer to Portland and Seattle than I do Salt Lake (Boise), but people here are fans of one of two teams, the Lakers and the Jazz - and the reason is because we have a high population of LDS church members with friends and families in Utah.

The Jazz may not have the financial clout of other teams, but we still are well into the top half of the league in salaries, and we are one of about 13 teams that make a profit, which means we must be doing something right. We may need to make personnel changes, but the problem certainly is not the location of the team.

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_U ... ical_areas

All of these points that people are complaining about are the very reasons that so many owners in the league are pushing for a revenue sharing system. In a revenue sharing system, the more money the league makes, the more money all the teams make. With maybe an exception being Lakers, Celtics, and Knicks. Even Miami would make more seeing as how the hardly ever sell out a game.

QuantumMacgyver wrote:All of these points that people are complaining about are the very reasons that so many owners in the league are pushing for a revenue sharing system. In a revenue sharing system, the more money the league makes, the more money all the teams make. With maybe an exception being Lakers, Celtics, and Knicks. Even Miami would make more seeing as how the hardly ever sell out a game.

The luxury tax is essentially a revenue sharing system....but it would force teams to be more efficient in marketing and player management..

babyjax13 wrote:The luxury tax is essentially a revenue sharing system....but it would force teams to be more efficient in marketing and player management..

The luxury tax is a very indirect form of revenue sharing; it's so indirect that I hardly think it qualifies. Under true revenue sharing my guess is there would be a lot more money going from the big markets to the small ones.

HappyProle wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:The luxury tax is essentially a revenue sharing system....but it would force teams to be more efficient in marketing and player management..

The luxury tax is a very indirect form of revenue sharing; it's so indirect that I hardly think it qualifies. Under true revenue sharing my guess is there would be a lot more money going from the big markets to the small ones.

Teams like NOH completely agree with you. Teams like the Lakers don't care.

Was jack born again sometime this afternoon?

HammerDunk wrote:

HappyProle wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:The luxury tax is essentially a revenue sharing system....but it would force teams to be more efficient in marketing and player management..

The luxury tax is a very indirect form of revenue sharing; it's so indirect that I hardly think it qualifies. Under true revenue sharing my guess is there would be a lot more money going from the big markets to the small ones.

Teams like NOH completely agree with you. Teams like the Lakers don't care.

Jerry Buss has actually said he supports the idea of a revenue sharing system. My guess is, the more competitive the league, the more money everyone makes. For instance, you can charge a lot more for games against +.500 teams than you can against -.500 teams.

Too bad you can't erase the internets, but a bunch of nice X threads look pretty awesome on our forum. Odd stuff...

HammerDunk wrote:Too bad you can't erase the internets, but a bunch of nice X threads look pretty awesome on our forum. Odd stuff...

He should have made them xx, because The xx kinda rule.

babyjax13 wrote:

HolyToledo wrote:It may be true that no team can win it all in a small market like Salt Lake City. The Jazz hit the miracle in a couple of draft picks in Stockton and Malone and almost did it but for Mr. Jordan. Lets face it us, Jazz fans will never win it all when the team resides in this small market. The Utah fans are great and support their teams and maybe winning it all does not need to happen. I guess lets enjoy the Jazz in Utah and hope for the best. We are like the Sacramento Kings from my area, a small market team that cannot win it all. Vegas anyone?

Biggest load of garbage I have read all week.

First, let's educate you on your NBA history, Sacramento won one of the first NBA championships in 1951 when they were still the Royals. It may not exactly be modern day, but it has happened. Furthermore, small market teams like the San Antonio Spurs, Minneapolis Lakers, Portland Trail Blazers and the Milwaukee Bucks have won championships. Teams that have not include Dallas (a large market with unlimited spending potential), Phoenix, the Clippers (LA, San Diego, Buffalo), Denver, and Toronto. The only small market teams that have not won a championship are Utah, Memphis, Indiana and Charlotte.

Second, let's take a look at Las Vegas since you seem to be so fixated on them. Vegas does not facility that is adequately suited to an NBA team (and don't start with the 27 year old Thomas and Mack center), and the arena that was going to be built to accommodate an NBA team never started (it was supposed to be done last year). Vegas has NEVER had a professional "major-league" sports team, and it is because they don't have the TV market to support one. Furthermore, there is no significant difference in population between the two as Salt Lake is the 34th largest metropolitan area in the US, while Vegas is the 31st largest. Salt Lake is also the 31st largest TV market in the United States while Las Vegas is 42nd on the list, behind such notables as Grand Rapids, Greenville, Milwaukee and Birmingham.

You also underestimate the power of the Mormon influence on the Jazz. I live closer to Portland and Seattle than I do Salt Lake (Boise), but people here are fans of one of two teams, the Lakers and the Jazz - and the reason is because we have a high population of LDS church members with friends and families in Utah.

The Jazz may not have the financial clout of other teams, but we still are well into the top half of the league in salaries, and we are one of about 13 teams that make a profit, which means we must be doing something right. We may need to make personnel changes, but the problem certainly is not the location of the team.

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_U ... ical_areas

Jax just ate your lunch and crapped it back out.