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The only 1 for 1 trade I could think up involving deron that makes some sense.

So for more deron drama would you do it? Does it makes us better? Can watson run the point guard well enough?

How in the world does that "make sense" to you? Why would you ever think Miami would do that??

Lebron and wade kinda clash because they are the same style of player. Heat need a point guard and if bron was willing to defer to deron a bit they could be great. Deron could get the rest of the other players involved. Everyone would know that it's not lebron and deron would be his robin. So yes I think it makes some sense like I said.

Well you havent been paying any attention to Miami's situation then because things are running along very smoothly there, even with being together for such a short time, battling for the best record in the east. Its absurd to think they would even consider this.

I would do it in a second for Utah, but Miami says no.

I would have loved to see Williams and Okur for Rondo and Perkins. Rondo and Perkins plays defense and would have fit perfectly with Sloan. But, Boston is set to try to win a title this year, so we'd have to wait until summer and hope they lost in the finals.

stevebozell wrote:Well you havent been paying any attention to Miami's situation then because things are running along very smoothly there, even with being together for such a short time, battling for the best record in the east. Its absurd to think they would even consider this.

They make it work by having wade and lebron having single spurts during games. Wade goes out, lebron does his thing then when bron goes out wade comes back in. I think lebron and deron could co exsist more on the court at the sametime then lebron and wade do.

With rondo I don't trust him without the big3 rondo is a good defender who can't shoot.

If Miami was horrible this year, I could see this making some sort of sense, but they are playing well. That being said there are a few players I would do a 1 for 1 trade for. Wade, LeBron, Durrant, Howard, Blake Griffin(just cuz he'd at least be a blast to watch) and D-Rose.

We aren't getting anyone like that for Williams in a trade, those franchises would rather keep their guy. If we are going to trade, we'll have to dip down a tier and negotiate Okur's salary in exchange for another good player. That's why a Rondo, Perkins deal looks so interesting to me. We'd need to surround them with scoring forwards and shooting guards, but we'd have the beginnings of a team that could reach contender levels with an anchor and ball pressure like that (both young, too). Plus it cuts salary.

Next year's depth chart (bringing back the bench and AK for the MLE)

Rondo (36) / Watson (12)
Miles (30) / Bell (12) / Price (6)
Hayward (18) / Kirilenko (24) / Evans (6)
Jefferson (16) / Millsap (32)
Perkins (24) / Jefferson (16) / Fesenko or Elson (6)

It would be one step back on offense, but two steps forward on defense. If Jefferson learns his spots, and Hayward and Miles continue to improve, we might be able to get something done with that roster, and we'd always be on the lookout for scoring wings.

Rondo and Perkins makes NO sense at all, especially if we're losing Deron in the process. Tell me this, who the hell is going to score the ball with that lineup? Rondo couldnt throw it in the ocean from a boat.

stevebozell wrote:Rondo and Perkins makes NO sense at all, especially if we're losing Deron in the process. Tell me this, who the hell is going to score the ball with that lineup? Rondo couldnt throw it in the ocean from a boat.

First of all, calm down. The composition philosophy for that roster stands on the belief that it is better to build a title contender starting with the right pieces first (e.g., defensive anchor, ball pressure, post scorer) and adding the more common pieces later (e.g., wing scorers are a dime a dozen). The teams lacks a closer (Miles isn't good enough at that job), but I'd rather lack a closer than lack an anchor.

All you managed to (rudely) say was that the trade would lead to a worse offense, something I already admitted and addressed in my post: it would be one step back on offense, but two steps forward on defense. (Offensively) If Jefferson learns his spots, and Hayward and Miles continue to improve, we might be able to get something done with that roster, and we'd always be on the lookout for scoring wings. If you want to criticize something, at least address how Jefferson and company would struggle to make up the loss of Deron's offense, and then tell me how that is more important than getting the massive defensive upgrades at the 1 and 5 spots.

Luigi wrote:

stevebozell wrote:Rondo and Perkins makes NO sense at all, especially if we're losing Deron in the process. Tell me this, who the hell is going to score the ball with that lineup? Rondo couldnt throw it in the ocean from a boat.

First of all, calm down. The composition philosophy for that roster stands on the belief that it is better to build a title contender starting with the right pieces first (e.g., defensive anchor, ball pressure, post scorer) and adding the more common pieces later (e.g., wing scorers are a dime a dozen). The teams lacks a closer (Miles isn't good enough at that job), but I'd rather lack a closer than lack an anchor.

All you managed to (rudely) say was that the trade would lead to a worse offense, something I already admitted and addressed in my post: it would be one step back on offense, but two steps forward on defense. (Offensively) If Jefferson learns his spots, and Hayward and Miles continue to improve, we might be able to get something done with that roster, and we'd always be on the lookout for scoring wings. If you want to criticize something, at least address how Jefferson and company would struggle to make up the loss of Deron's offense, and then tell me how that is more important than getting the massive defensive upgrades at the 1 and 5 spots.

Which is why the Jazz have so many. Oh wait, we don't have ANY.

We also have a lot of defensive anchors, don't we? Do you really believe that big men who can play defense and rebound are more common in the NBA than wings that can score in a variety of ways?

Luigi wrote:wing scorers are a dime a dozen

Quick, someone give Greg Miller a dime!

Who wouldn't do this? It's a three year rental of dwyane, but I would. If only because he would be a damn beast after the heat screwed him like that.

Also, scoring wings aren't dime a dozen, but point guards are. Think how much young talent there is around the league at point (CP3, Deron, Rose, Wall, Rondo, Westbrook, Jru Holiday, Collison, Jennings, Ty Lawson, Eric Bledsoe ).

That's excluding vets like Chauncey, Nash, question marks like Tyreke, Beabois, and even serviceable players like Felton,

Definitely the easiest position to fill IMO.

countrybama24 wrote:Who wouldn't do this? It's a three year rental of dwyane, but I would. If only because he would be a damn beast after the heat screwed him like that.

Also, scoring wings aren't dime a dozen, but point guards are. Think how much young talent there is around the league at point (CP3, Deron, Rose, Wall, Rondo, Westbrook, Jru Holiday, Collison, Jennings, Ty Lawson, Eric Bledsoe ).

That's excluding vets like Chauncey, Nash, question marks like Tyreke, Beabois, and even serviceable players like Felton,

Definitely the easiest position to fill IMO.

countrybama24 wrote:Who wouldn't do this? It's a three year rental of dwyane, but I would. If only because he would be a damn beast after the heat screwed him like that.

Also, scoring wings aren't dime a dozen, but point guards are. Think how much young talent there is around the league at point (CP3, Deron, Rose, Wall, Rondo, Westbrook, Jru Holiday, Collison, Jennings, Ty Lawson, Eric Bledsoe ).

That's excluding vets like Chauncey, Nash, question marks like Tyreke, Beabois, and even serviceable players like Felton,

Definitely the easiest position to fill IMO.

I agree that point guard is the deepest position in the NBA right now. But I don't think that means it is the easiest to fill. I thought it was pretty much agreed upon that the NBA is leaning toward perimeter scoring lately, that's what I'm seeing on the court. To help convince some of you who may not be seeing that (I'm not a big numbers guy), I compiled some data on scoring per minute for this season from each position (players must have played 85% of games to be counted). The numbers fail to capture a lot of what goes on in an offense, but they show the general trend:


-The average point guard scores .410165717 points per minute.
-The average shooting guard and small forward scores .423554581 points per minute.
-The average power forward scores .426462974 points per minute.
-The average center scores .371369 points per minute.


This isn't very revealing until you look at the distribution. We're interested in higher end scorers out of those spots, so look at the players that score over .5 ppm:


Among 1s:
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Rose .655, Westbrook .623
Williams .562, Curry .549, Parker .533, Billups .510, Nash .507

Among 2s and 3s:
Bryant .740, Martin .734, Durant .729, Anthony .709
Wade .684, James .681, J. Smith .668, Gordon 637, Ellis .618
L. Williams .582, Granger .581, Ginobili .577, Magette .571, N. Young .556, Pierce .540, Gay .539, Miles .514, S. Jackson .513

Among 4s:
Stoudemire .709
Nowitzki .661, Bargnani .610, Griffin .601
Love .574, Scola .573, Aldridge .565, Randolf .541, West .539, Bosh .516, Cousins .514, Gasol .504. Millsap .501

Among 5s:
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Howard .621
Lopez .563


2s and 3s draw from two positions, but they have a much higher incidence of high ranking scorers per minute than one would expect. 1s are keeping up, but there are more 4s with high ppm. 5s, of course, are last. You may want to move a few 4s to 5s, but that won't change the point. This is exactly what one would expect from the last decade of a perimeter oriented NBA basketball.

If we did the Rondo, Perkins deal, I think it wouldn't be too difficult to find serviceable 2s and 3s to fill in the gaps on offense. After all, Rondo and Perkins would make less than Williams and Okur. If that was such an offensive idea to this board, my sincerest apologies.