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1. I dont think he's cut from the same cloth as guys like Lebron, Carmelo, and others who want to be the center of the media universe. Winning is the only thing that matters to Deron.

2. The Nets are moving to Brooklyn, and Deron CAN be the center of the media universe anyway if they are winning.

3. The Net's new owner, IMO, is the new Mark Cuban. This guy can and will try to buy championships. Maybe I am mistaken, but is he not the most wealthy owner in the league now? One of them at least....luxury tax wont mean anything to this cat so long as the roster = deep into the playoffs each year.

4. Deron will be the undisputed leader and face of this new franchise with deep pockets. He will be their Kobe to the Lakers.

5. Jason Kidd was Deron's favorite player growing up. Now Deron gets a chance to go from the next Stockton, trying to win a championship for the Jazz, to the next Kidd, trying to win a championship for the Nets. If he is successful, he will vault himself into their league in the ranks of greatest all-time PGs. If he fails, his only chance to be on par with them is to carve out a long and fulfilling career. Guys constantly on the move dont really do that, as it takes time to get accustomed to franchise cultures, rosters, coaches, etc.


I know alot of you hate on Williams and blame him for what has gone down. As my username suggest, I have been a big fan of his, but dont use this against me to discount the reasons why I think this is unfair to him. He never made a media spectacle. He never went public with trade demands or threats. He sometimes voiced his frustration when we were losing, which is exactly what you hope for out of a competitor who cares. He never took games off or used injuries to sit out. He played through pain and left everything on the court every night for our franchise while he was here.

In short, Deron Williams handles himself like a true professional and that is all you can ask of a young athlete.

I feel badly about how this all ended for him and the Jazz, and I know he is not without blame in this, but you will not see me amongst the crowd that heaps this entirely upon him.

That being said, I wish him well (starting next year, I want a top 3 pick), and its time for me and all of us to move on as Jazz fans. I hope Ty Corbin turns out to be a lot better of a coach than I think he will be, and I hope we can rebuild quickly and put a team back on the court that is fun to watch.

GO JAZZ!

I think the way Sloan and Deron left speaks volumes about Deron. But, we'll have to wait and see. If he's really a problem child he'll soon become one for NJ or the next team that gets him. And then we'll have confirmation.

jazzfan1971 wrote:I think the way Sloan and Deron left speaks volumes about Deron. But, we'll have to wait and see. If he's really a problem child he'll soon become one for NJ or the next team that gets him. And then we'll have confirmation.

In the absence of facts, speculation about how or why this all shook out is just that...speculation. I heard Malone rip the franchise publicly while he was under contract, and threaten to not resign with us and go somewhere else. I heard that multiple times out of Malone. Malone is one of my favorite players of all-time.

I never heard that, not once, from Deron Williams. And I dont care to speculate beyond thinking he deserves some of the blame for how this shook out, but not all, and certainly not more than management.

"He never made a media spectacle. He never went public with trade demands or threats."

I could not disagree more with those statements.

How about opening clashing with your coach on the floor? Throwing a baseball pass at a rookie standing 5 feet away then swearing at him in front of 19,000 people? Criticizing teammates in front of the press?

Do you remember when he said something to the effect of..."that's why I signed for only three years" and "that's the problem with a small market, people here have nothing to talk about".

Great player, tremendous competitor, underwhelming leader

Deron will not resign with the Nets...here's why:

1) Not a team that has won in a very long time. Yes they made the finals 10 years ago, but since then they've been pretty much a laughing stock. Their owner has a lot of money, but they mortgaged their future just to get Deron. Instead of building around the draft, they've left everything up to getting a superstar in FA, and that is a crap shoot at best, especially when you aren't a major franchise that players are dying to go play for.

2) The Nets aren't going to do **** in the next year and a half. They are a lottery team this year, with no pick. They don't have enough talent on the roster outside of Deron to make any trades to improve significantly, and they got rid of all of their young talent in Favors and Terrence Williams that could have been the third option to Deron and their next all-star, who they still have no promise of signing.

3) The media is nuts in NY/NJ, and Deron hates the media. If the Nets suck this year, (which they will) and next year (which almost seems like a guarantee, see points 1 & 2) the media is going to blame Deron, and he'll blame the organization just like he did here.

4) He is going to have several suitors come 2012. The Clippers are going to be a huge draw with Griffin and Gordon, and you can guaratnee NYC will be looking to pick him up. While playing in Brooklyn will be cool, LA is just as cool, and NYC is cooler than Brooklyn.

CareySkyScurry wrote:"He never made a media spectacle. He never went public with trade demands or threats."

I could not disagree more with those statements.

How about opening clashing with your coach on the floor? Throwing a baseball pass at a rookie standing 5 feet away then swearing at him in front of 19,000 people? Criticizing teammates in front of the press?

Do you remember when he said something to the effect of..."that's why I signed for only three years" and "that's the problem with a small market, people here have nothing to talk about".

Great player, tremendous competitor, underwhelming leader

I never claimed he was perfect. But neither were the all-time greats. Larry Bird once said during the FINALS that his teammates were playing like a bunch of women and had no hearts.

Michael Jordan refused to score the basketball during an NBA FINALS game when Pippen passed it to him, for the sole reason of preventing Pippen from getting his 10th assist, which would have given Pippen his first triple double for a Finals game, and would have been the only statistical feat Pippen had accomplished that Jordan had not. Karl Malone whined to the media that Greg Ostertag and Bryon Russell turned into fatasses in the offseason and hadn't earned their paychecks.

I never have seen anything that extreme from Deron Williams....but he's also not perfect either.

Deron williams was the single most arrogant S.O.B in utah.

You say that he never gave up, there were multiple games where he gave up and made it obvious.

Dwont may resign with NJ but who cares him and avery will clash within the next 2 yrs and they will have a jazz situation.

Anyone who was a fan of his game is fine in my book. But if you respect him as a person, you are an ignorant fool who cant see past the PR language.

I wish the worst for DWont and hope he shows NJ the exact reason so many of us are happy he is gone.

Being honest, I couldn't care less if Deron resigns or not for the nets.
I wish him well, but I hope Jazz team would be better than any of Deron's teams.

yonexpro1 wrote:Deron williams was the single most arrogant S.O.B in utah.

You say that he never gave up, there were multiple games where he gave up and made it obvious.

Dwont may resign with NJ but who cares him and avery will clash within the next 2 yrs and they will have a jazz situation.

Anyone who was a fan of his game is fine in my book. But if you respect him as a person, you are an ignorant fool who cant see past the PR language.

I wish the worst for DWont and hope he shows NJ the exact reason so many of us are happy he is gone.

When? Give me a few examples of Deron quitting out there on the court. Out of all superstars in this league, Deron is the one that has made it most apparent he wants to win. Back when Phoenix came to ESA a week and half ago Deron was still pulling up shots and hustling his ass off while nobody else was. Deron always did what he thought was best on the court. And rightfully so, he is argued to be the best point guard in the entire league. To question his passion for the game is an absolute crime, but then again thats all you come to talk about on this board.

If he wasn't satisfied with what we put around him here through the years, he's not going to be won over by next year by the Nets. They have zero assets with which to acquire players outside of free agency. Deron himself today did his usual "we'll wait and see what moves they make and if I think they're good enough" song and dance, while paying lip service to the team's current "young talent" (when you mention Sasha Vujacic and Jordan Farmer as examples, you're in a bad situation).

Deron's going to loathe Avery Johnson inside of ten games, and if he didn't like the media treatment here, he's not going to like it in the New York Metro Area.. Unless the Nets miraculously acquire a second superstar, Deron's gone.

Deron was clearly half-assing it at points this year. But let's not get into that debate, I guess. We'll have that argument other places. Do you think he'll re-sign with the nets, Jampod?

The59Sound wrote:Deron was clearly half-assing it at points this year. But let's not get into that debate, I guess. We'll have that argument other places. Do you think he'll re-sign with the nets, Jampod?

No. I don't think so. I've never been to New Jersey but i can only imagine how different it is from Utah. Deron liked Utah. Deron also has already said he doesn't like the trade. I don't know if that is in respect to how he was dealt or to what team he was dealt to. But I think one thing is most certainly clear, it will be a long time till New Jersey is a Championship-caliber team.

Well, it's not ALL speculation, we've had reports that Deron was a handful for the coaches. A world class handful.

A leopard won't change their spots. If he's really a handful it'll come out in his new home. And the one after. If he's not a problem in the lockerroom we'll probably see him have a terrific career in NJ where he's adored by the fans.

It'll take some time to see, but, I think it'll be obvious.

Dwont was half assing from december up until the jazz got rid of jerry, then he started trying again and was magically able to hit a shot again. He soon after realized that he isnt good enough to lead a team to the playoffs by himself and thus he is traded.

Not saying dwont was terrible for the PR he is trained, all these guys are coached up in PR.

He may have never said he would leave but made it pretty obvious with comments from the past few seasons.

Oh by the way you may not like my analysis on the board, but thats why I signed a three year deal.

I didn't realize, Deron's gonna have to be dishing to Vujacic and Farmar now, hahahah

As opposed to CJ Miles and Ronnie Price.

The one thing that speaks volumes to me is the way the Utah Jazz went about getting him out of town. Utah isn't an organization that makes deals like this, they never have been. They have always been known for their close to the vest, very conservative ways.
There were obviously huge issues, and the belief that he wasn't going to stick around.

Using Malone as an example is really kinda dumb, That was a different situation all together. The relationship between Karl and Larry Miller was unique, they had a father son type thing, and Larry never believed Karl's bluster, He knew that at the end of the day Karl wasn't going anywhere.
On top of that it was a different era, Superstars then didn't change teams like they do now.

I think the Jazz made a FANTASTIC move, on many levels. Made me even more proud to wear my Jazz hat.

It all comes down to whether he prefers to walk to the Knicks games or if he wants to walk to the golf course after Clippers practice. LA is only 100 miles from his house in San Diego and golf is played all year around!

I think D-Will's time in NJ will be magical.

Forgive me for speculating, but I wouldn't be surprised if flowers and rainbows were seen exploding from his rear end by late March.

Sounds like he eats a lot of Chipotle. The corn salsa is great!