Looking for a--ahem--"Favor"able comparison?

[erudite23]

Try Al Horford. Looking at the numbers from their rookie seasons, its ridiculous how much they match up.

PP40? Almost identical, with Favors edging Horford out 13.2/12.9
TS%? Favors 54.6%/53.9%
TO rate? Horford by a hair 13.4/13.5
Rebound Rate? Horford has seemingly a significant edge here, 18.0/16.0, except in subsequent seasons his production went to mid-16.0s each year.
USG? Horford by a hair 15.0/14.7

Their PERs are fairly close, with Favors sporting a 13.1 and Horford posting a 14.8, with Horford's edge looks to have come from rebounding and passing.

Again, similar in many ways.....with one big exception: fouls. Horford played 32 mpg for a bad Hawks team largely because he was their only decent excuse for a big guy.....and they sucked. Favors hasn't gotten those minutes due largely to Avery Johnson's handling of him, but also because of his inability to stay away from cheap fouls. This is quite typical of young bigs, and was actually one of Horford's most impressive attributes as a rook. That number should come down quickly as Favors learns the NBA game.

Also, the other big gap: age. Horford was a 21 year old rookie with three years of college experience. Favors is the youngest player in the league at just 19. Each started out as rebounders and defenders, and Horford has found his way into being a quality offensive option in his 4th season. I think looking at him is a good place to start in our expectations for our young guy.

[jazzfan1971]

I'm setting my expections very low. I guess I can't be too disappointed that way. I'm gonna call him a Jarron Collins with athleticism. Can defend, can rebound, can hit the mid range J, can't post, can't dribble drive. But, unlike Jarron, can dunk, can block shots, can fast break.

Right now I expect not much more out of him than we got from Collins. Essentially playing the same roll on the team, being asked to do the same things.

[Soul Patch]

I'm setting my expections very low. I guess I can't be too disappointed that way. I'm gonna call him a Jarron Collins with athleticism. Can defend, can rebound, can hit the mid range J, can't post, can't dribble drive. But, unlike Jarron, can dunk, can block shots, can fast break.

Right now I expect not much more out of him than we got from Collins. Essentially playing the same roll on the team, being asked to do the same things.

This is what I expect of him this year but in the long run I expect a lot more. I'm hoping for a second tier center kind of development.

[erudite23]

I guess that's what happens when your franchise is basically taken out and handed over to the mob overnight. Expectation management.


Favors is already far better than Collins ever was. He just needs to find a way to stay on the court. I think his floor, honestly, is Tyson Chandler. He's already producing well in limited minutes. Were he playing 32 mpg, he'd get us about 11 and 9 on solid shooting percentages and with over a block per game. I don't think he will bust. He might just be a solid defender/rebounder with mediocre offensive skills, but even that qualifies as an above average starter.

[idajazz]

I remember a young Karl Malone, Ya I'm that old
It would be interesting to see what was said If we would have had this place to pick apart his game in his rookie year. Nobody would have predicted what he went on to do.
I think Favors has the most upside of any big rookie this franchise has had since Malone.
It would be fantastic if they brought Karl in during the summer to work with him Paul and AL.

[king everything]

Great. For Deron Williams so far we have a guy with the upside of Tyson Chandler, the downside of Jarron Collins, and a chance for KOC to redeem his failure to bring the creamy complection of JJ Reddick to the fair people of Utah by nabbing the equally pasty Jimmer Fredette.

[The59Sound]

He said the downside of Tyson Chandler. The Jarron Collins stuff is just silly. He's already much, much better.

[jazzfan1971]

I'll agree that he's better than Collins. Like I said, he can block shots, he can dunk, and he can get out on the break, unlike Collins. But, I'm seeing him playing a Collins role on the team. At least for now. If you look at Collins and Favors rookie seasons they honestly aren't that far apart. Favors is better, higher FG%, lower FT%, more blocks, more rebounds, about the same points. But, not terribly different.

But, more than stats I'm talking about role. I think they are filling the exact same role on the team.

[yonexpro1]

Stats and role may be similar, but favors does do things to help the team win that dont show on the box score, whether its properly helping of P&R D, or forcing a bad pass. Against IND he singly handedly got 3 or 4 stops which didnt go down as steals or blocks.

[jazzfan1971]

Well, that is terrific. But, I think one of the reasons that Collins got so much run despite his physical limitations was that he also did things to help the team win that didn't show up in the box score. He was very good at taking charges for instance.

I see I'm onlly going to irritate folks with this comparison. I guess it's like comparing a ferrari with a camero. They might not be terribly different on stats, but, there is a world of difference. But, I'm more pointing out that you are using both cars to drive to the store to get groceries, not blazing the autobahn.

[HolyToledo]

I see him more like Buck Williams from the past with Dwight Howard Athletic ability. As such, 18 pts and 10 rebounds per game 1-2 years from now. Borderline Allstar. I think he offensive game will struggle and not develop if Jefferson is on the team. It is true that Jefferson can teach him some tricks, but until you are the main option in the post, you are not going to be a star. Like the Jazz traded Adrian Dantley to open up Karl Malone's game, the Jazz may have to trade away Jefferson to open up Favor's offensive game.

[StocktonShorts]

I see him more like Buck Williams from the past with Dwight Howard Athletic ability. As such, 18 pts and 10 rebounds per game 1-2 years from now. Borderline Allstar. I think he offensive game will struggle and not develop if Jefferson is on the team. It is true that Jefferson can teach him some tricks, but until you are the main option in the post, you are not going to be a star. Like the Jazz traded Adrian Dantley to open up Karl Malone's game, the Jazz may have to trade away Jefferson to open up Favor's offensive game.

In your first sentence his ceiling is Buck Williams then by your last sentence he's Karl Malone.

You don't trade away Adrian Dantley to make room for Buck Williams.

[idajazz]

the thing I'm going to do is wait and see, The kid, and I mean kid is young.
Give him the rest of this yr, and next before passing judgement.
Heck, look at the time they have given CJ.

P.S.
It just hit me CJ = chucker/jacker, certainly fits.

[yonexpro1]

Oh no doubt I dont expect much from favors for another 2 yrs, and if he continues playing minimal min it could be a little longer. I hope during the offseason he is as dedicated as he makes himself out to be.

He is avg around 6ppg and 5 rpg which is pretty solid. Next season I would be hoping for 8-10 ppg and 7 Rpg, of course pending the minutes situation.

[jazzfan1971]

Isn't Chandler 7'+ If so I don't see the comparison.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

You guys need to remember that the kid is only 19, it's going to hard to draw any solid comparisons to him for the next couple of years (at the least). His body and game could change drastically in the next couple seasons.

I feel like the Horford comparison is fair as far as play style and body type.

Jarron Collins doesn't even belong in the same discussion as Favors....

I feel like his ceiling is pretty limitless. On the high side of his potential I would say he could be an Amare/Horford/Perkins hybrid but you could also say that his low side of potential could be about where he is right now (8/8/1 guy). It all depends on how his offense and mentality develop.

Personally I feel like it's hard to draw any comparisons to him because of his unique physical tools and his hard working mentality. There is really no one like him in the NBA right now. I feel like Horford is the closest comparison since he exhibits both a defensive mentality and well rounded offensive capabilities along with a hard working mentality but even that comparison feels a bit low to me. All I know is that I've always loved the kid and I'm more than super excited to see him develop.

[jazzfan1971]

I'm all ready ruling out any Amare/Howard/Griffin comparisons. I haven't seen a hint of the explosiveness those guys have out of him.

So, I think we can take those guys with top tier athleticism off the list of possible comparisons.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

I'm all ready ruling out any Amare/Howard/Griffin comparisons. I haven't seen a hint of the explosiveness those guys have out of him.

So, I think we can take those guys with top tier athleticism off the list of possible comparisons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Od-U5IF4s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1cqvXFSEBE

Are you serious???

[yonexpro1]

I'm all ready ruling out any Amare/Howard/Griffin comparisons. I haven't seen a hint of the explosiveness those guys have out of him.

So, I think we can take those guys with top tier athleticism off the list of possible comparisons.

True, people say he is a freak athlete and can explode, sure he has had a couple nice dunks but I havent seen it yet

[qman]

Isn't Chandler 7'+ If so I don't see the comparison.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... All&sort=6

Their standing reach is the same 9'2". Favors' vertical tested out 3 inches higher. Favors did test out significantly faster on the lateral shuttle drill.