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Who got the better deal? Utah or Denver
Nuggets got the superior players. Jazz got the superior draft picks. Although I take Deron over Melo anyday, Denver did give up more IMHO since they included Billups.
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I think the draft is too much of a crap shoot, so I would take Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton. All three are good now and all three have tremendous futures.
Of course it depends on who the jazz get in the draft, but based on our history...
Of course it depends on who the jazz get in the draft, but based on our history...
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There's no way to compare these two trades since Anthony signed an extension and Williams didn't.
With lockout looming, basically KOC traded 20 guaranteed games of Deron Williams for Favors, Harris, Nets 2011 pick and a chance to GSW 2012 pick. That's fairly good.
With lockout looming, basically KOC traded 20 guaranteed games of Deron Williams for Favors, Harris, Nets 2011 pick and a chance to GSW 2012 pick. That's fairly good.
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outerspacefella wrote:There's no way to compare these two trades since Anthony signed an extension and Williams didn't.
With lockout looming, basically KOC traded 20 guaranteed games of Deron Williams for Favors, Harris, Nets 2011 pick and a chance to GSW 2012 pick. That's fairly good.
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I think it's miraculous we got that good a deal, given the uncertainty of things.
I do love the deal that Denver got, and think it was an A+ trade for them.
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The Nuggets got the better deal for today, but the Jazz weren't looking for today, the Jazz were looking towards the future, so it is going to take time to see how the Jazz pan out to properly judge. However, the Jazz did put themselves in a situation to build a potential contender, which I don't think they could have done before the draft. As nice as it is to have Deron, he wasn't attracting big names to come to SLC, and with the current Salary Cap Structure, it seems unlikely the Jazz could have brought in max players in FA anyways unless we were willing to severely overpay, and you can't overpay players and win rings, you have to get good value so you can add a lot of depth.
The idea with the Jazz is that 3 years from now you can have a few upper level starters and possible all-stars still on rookie salaries (Favors, Hayward, and our 3 picks) and have one, maybe 2 max contract guys with a solid bench making a run at a ring. OKC is kind of the team you have to look at, a bunch of young guys with excellent salary to output ratios, one star player with a big contract, and a few well placed vets with good contracts who fill their roles perfectly.
What the Jazz need to do is develop the young guys, draft well, don't lock themselves into bad veteran contracts i.e. AK and Memo, and sign the right big contract guys with saved money when the young guys are ready to make a run.
The Jazz certainly haven't lost this comparison though.
The idea with the Jazz is that 3 years from now you can have a few upper level starters and possible all-stars still on rookie salaries (Favors, Hayward, and our 3 picks) and have one, maybe 2 max contract guys with a solid bench making a run at a ring. OKC is kind of the team you have to look at, a bunch of young guys with excellent salary to output ratios, one star player with a big contract, and a few well placed vets with good contracts who fill their roles perfectly.
What the Jazz need to do is develop the young guys, draft well, don't lock themselves into bad veteran contracts i.e. AK and Memo, and sign the right big contract guys with saved money when the young guys are ready to make a run.
The Jazz certainly haven't lost this comparison though.
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outerspacefella wrote:There's no way to compare these two trades since Anthony signed an extension and Williams didn't.
That's a good point, but Deron is signed for 2+ seasons and Melo signed for 4+, so there is not a huuuuge differnce.
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finnegan wrote:outerspacefella wrote:There's no way to compare these two trades since Anthony signed an extension and Williams didn't.
That's a good point, but Deron is signed for 2+ seasons and Melo signed for 4+, so there is not a huuuuge differnce.
Deron was basically signed for 1 + 1/2 at the time of the trade. The Nets couldn't possibly be naive enough to think he wasn't going to opt out next summer.
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Denver didn't get a single shot at an All-Star caliber talent. Jazz will have at least 3 decent shots at one. In the NBA, that's what matters. Denver will play 3 years of 45-50 win basketball, never make it out of the first round, and then realize that they have to blow everything up anyway. The Jazz skipped all that and went straight to rebuilding with a jetpack to expedite it.
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Too early to evaluate this deal with anything other than speculation. Need to look back draft choices and maybe later. Both deals are decent given the circumstances.
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Because Deron could opt out of the final year of his deal nothing was guaranteed for the Jazz beyond the end of this year. It was being non-commital that left the Jazz feeling like they had to do SOMETHING.
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If the nuggets could have gotten a the Jazz deal they would have taken that one instead but they had to trade Anthony to the Knicks because he refused to sign a long term deal with the Nets. Thus, the nuggets themselves will tell you that Jazz got a better deal. In any case, the teams did well to get what they got and they will be better in the future for getting these deals done.
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Looking at things right now, I would say Utah got the better deal.
3 years from now if the picks and Favors are busts, then you would probably say Denver.
3 years from now one of the picks and/or Favors is all star material then Utah by a long shot.
3 years from now if the picks and Favors are busts, then you would probably say Denver.
3 years from now one of the picks and/or Favors is all star material then Utah by a long shot.
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arent at least some of the players Denver got due for new contracts? I'm fairly sure they will have to give them a sizable increase to keep them....
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jazzed77 wrote:arent at least some of the players Denver got due for new contracts? I'm fairly sure they will have to give them a sizable increase to keep them....
I believe Chandler's a RFA this off-season, and Galo will be in another year.
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The59Sound wrote:jazzed77 wrote:arent at least some of the players Denver got due for new contracts? I'm fairly sure they will have to give them a sizable increase to keep them....
I believe Chandler's a RFA this off-season, and Galo will be in another year.
I guess that's not so bad then....Altho I am not a fan of trading Deron I do believe the trade put the Jazz in a good position to not only be a good team for a long time but actual title contenders
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Here is the way I would look at it:
1. Favors has all-star potential, not just to be a Nene or David West type guy, but on the same level as some of the best players in the game. You can't build without a franchise big-man. Right now it is Jefferson, but in 5 years when Al is 30 and Favors is 26 it will be Derrick.
2. We got two lottery picks, Denver got none. While the players they got certainly are good enough to keep them in playoff contention, Gallinari and Chandler are not good enough to stop the decline of other players on that team. Denver might be better than the Jazz for the next two seasons, but as time goes on I think it will be clear that Utah got the better end.
3. Harris=Felton, same age, similar skill level, different playing style. They are both good.
1. Favors has all-star potential, not just to be a Nene or David West type guy, but on the same level as some of the best players in the game. You can't build without a franchise big-man. Right now it is Jefferson, but in 5 years when Al is 30 and Favors is 26 it will be Derrick.
2. We got two lottery picks, Denver got none. While the players they got certainly are good enough to keep them in playoff contention, Gallinari and Chandler are not good enough to stop the decline of other players on that team. Denver might be better than the Jazz for the next two seasons, but as time goes on I think it will be clear that Utah got the better end.
3. Harris=Felton, same age, similar skill level, different playing style. They are both good.

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erudite23 wrote:Denver didn't get a single shot at an All-Star caliber talent. Jazz will have at least 3 decent shots at one. In the NBA, that's what matters. Denver will play 3 years of 45-50 win basketball, never make it out of the first round, and then realize that they have to blow everything up anyway. The Jazz skipped all that and went straight to rebuilding with a jetpack to expedite it.
I don't disagree with you very often, but Denver appears to be pretty darn good right now.
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HolyToledo wrote:If the nuggets could have gotten a the Jazz deal they would have taken that one instead but they had to trade Anthony to the Knicks because he refused to sign a long term deal with the Nets. Thus, the nuggets themselves will tell you that Jazz got a better deal. In any case, the teams did well to get what they got and they will be better in the future for getting these deals done.
That is somewhat true. The Knicks package came together pretty quickly once Idiot I mean Isiaih got involved.
But Denver clearly was interested in the Nets offer early on to the point that they probably would have accepted it, if Melo had agreed to an extentsion. So from that perspective, it was more favorable towards that Jazz, since the Nets didn't have the same demand of Deron that he sign an extension.
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Now: Denver got the better deal.
Future: Utah.
Overall: Possibly Utah.
I'm leaning towards Utah slightly because of the future potential players(Favors, two 1st round lottery picks). Denver got two players who are similar in Chandler and Gallo and a PG(Felton) who's not better than Lawson. Mozgov is their big prize imho because we dont know how good that 7-footer can be.
Denver are great right now but that's because they're kinda stacked with good/above average team players but they're not going to keep them all. Also, we already know what their ceilings are with the exception to Mozgov.
Future: Utah.
Overall: Possibly Utah.
I'm leaning towards Utah slightly because of the future potential players(Favors, two 1st round lottery picks). Denver got two players who are similar in Chandler and Gallo and a PG(Felton) who's not better than Lawson. Mozgov is their big prize imho because we dont know how good that 7-footer can be.
Denver are great right now but that's because they're kinda stacked with good/above average team players but they're not going to keep them all. Also, we already know what their ceilings are with the exception to Mozgov.

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HolyToledo wrote:If the nuggets could have gotten a the Jazz deal they would have taken that one instead but they had to trade Anthony to the Knicks because he refused to sign a long term deal with the Nets. Thus, the nuggets themselves will tell you that Jazz got a better deal. In any case, the teams did well to get what they got and they will be better in the future for getting these deals done.
wow....
uh, no.

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