Derrick Favors Upside

blackham9258 · Post #1 » by **blackham9258** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:04 am

Now that I have watched him for the last 10 games, and seen all the ups and downs I believe he will turn out to be a stud, if we facilitate it. He is offensively more advanced at this stage than D Howard ever was, and he even has a shot that Howard still does not have.

I watched the other night the first time he touched the ball he made a quick baseline move around his man and dunked, then tonight he hits the elbow jumper. I mean come on!

D Howard has been in the league 7 years and doesn't have an elbow jumper. Shaq? Forget about it! Now, Derrick needs to bulk up a little, and learn to slow things down when in the paint (he tends to rush things and ends with lesser shots than he could otherwise get). He needs to learn how to slowly use his body like Howard and Shaq, where they back down their player and then just dunk on their man. He has the ability to go around his man and dunk, to go through his man and dunk, and unlike Shaq or Howard, he has the ability to shoot and is actually rather fluid with his shot.

Also, have you seen this kid run? He cruises down the floor like Lebron, let alone Karl Malone. The Kid is a freak, we need to get out and run!

Actions Required for his development:
Send him to Arkansas to spend the summer with Malone, and send him with all the tapes of Malones best games to learn how to dominate. Malone got 4 points a game by beating his man down the floor for layups. He got, 6 more by beating his man down the floor and getting deep position and getting easy shots. He also needs to learn from Malone how to draw contact and finish and how to make his way to the bucket.

I think he needs to start next year and move Millsap to the bench. We need the bench scoring, and although Millsap won't like it, he needs to look at Manu Ginobli as a model for his career. We just plain need to be giving Favors 30 minutes a game.

Hire a big man coach.

The one thing I think can hurt his development is if Favors himself doesn't want to improve, or if the Jazz screw up his development.

I think his development into being a stud will take a year or so longer than Howard, and because he plays alongside other legit big men his rebounding numbers and points may not be what Howards were his first three years which were: 12/10, 15/12, 17/12. Next to Al and Paul I think he will still be 11/8 next year, 13/9, and 15/10 for full years 1-3 with the Jazz starting next year.

I think he will end up being a dominate player in this league and I think if the Jazz do the right things via free agency and in the draft as it pertains to their wing and point play, I believe we will have the tools to compete for a championship with Favors (the next Dwight Howard) with a outside shot!

carrottop12 · Post #2 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:14 am

We need to make sure not to stunt his growth by limiting his minutes behind Millsap and Jefferson and giving him only 20 minutes a night. Kind of an awkward situation, hope Corbin is up for it.

cjs55 · Post #3 » by **cjs55** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:10 am

The fact that Favors isn't playing 25-30 minutes a night every game right now makes me very, very sad. Hayward (Ginobili light), Favors (Amare light), Evans (AK light), all need tons of time right now to develop in an incredibly important formative stage in their careers, and it's not happening for basically no reason at all. Favors has tons of upside, and really looks like another Amare/McDyess kind of player as long as we play him now and get him the experience and confidence he needs.

Neon Black · Post #4 » by **Neon Black** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:20 am

I get the Amare comparison, but come on. Favors D is already 10x better than Stoudemires...hands down.

And yes Blackham, Favors rated very high at his position in sprint speed. And I wouldn't be too worried about bulking up. He was able to bench far more than Howard or Amare in pre-draft workouts.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #5 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:24 am

These guys aren't even done growing yet. I say give em time to develop. Last thing we want is to have Dwight v2.0 and have him blow out a knee cuz he isn't ready. Give 'em all time to strengthen, then they will get their minutes.

soapblaster · Post #6 » by **soapblaster** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:58 am

I do think he's ready to play 25-30 minutes a night. If Corbin has plans/hopes/dreams of still being the head coach come October, he needs to start incorporating Favors and Hayward into the serious rotation now. Evans may be on the team for a while, but I don't see him ever fulfilling any role, other than 7-10th man.

Let the dogs out, Corbin. Give some run to Hayward and Favors to see what they can do.

Luigi · Post #7 » by **Luigi** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:38 pm

He might be Emeka Okafor 2.0

His dimensions and abilities are very similar (he's younger, but on his way to similar strength gains). I hope he can be something more than that, because I think he has more offensive promise.

I like the idea of him learning from our veterans. Jefferson can teach him how to defend the post by going at him in practice. Kirilenko can show him how to time weakside blocks (he helped Millsap in the past, but Paul doesn't have AK's length). Millsap has something to teach him about rebound position, even though Favors is already strong here, and about playing with lots of contact.

Malone would be a great motivation coach, but I don't see him as much of a teacher. He'd expect a lot of effort though, which is good. His toughness could either rub off on Favors or crush him mentally--we'd need some risk-reward analysis.

Can anyone help him get his positioning without fouling? He gets a lot of bad rookie calls, but if he's ever going to graduate in the official's eyes, he needs to clean up his rookie mistakes. They've been known to hold a player back a year, especially if he's a big body, if he doesn't look like he gets it (Fesenko).

Neon Black · Post #8 » by **Neon Black** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:36 pm

Am I the only one who doesn't want Malone withing 100,000 ft of this organization?

Luigi · Post #9 » by **Luigi** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:40 pm

Neon Black wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't want Malone withing 100,000 ft of this organization?

I'm on the fence. Risk-reward analysis. Malone's toughness could either translate to the players, or it could belittle and crush them. He's too dramatic, too, so that's another down-side.

I don't think it's an obvious win, but I'm not decidedly against it. What's better? Malone coaching the bigs, no special bigs coach, or some other bigs coach?

Post #10 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:02 pm

Jazz should hire Jim Boylen to coach the bigs.

Litany · Post #11 » by **Litany** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:16 pm

Neon Black wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't want Malone withing 100,000 ft of this organization?

Malone is one of the best PF's to play ever. But I have doubts about his ability to be an effective coach, so no you aren't alone.

Did he make any of the bigs he played with better? I didn't notice that happening. Is that his fault or theirs, who knows. I just fear he would make it too much about him if he became a coach.

Do we need a bigs coach? Sure. Should it be Malone? I don't think so. Who should it be? I have no freaking idea, lol.

Post #12 » by **FJS** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:18 pm

Favors has something special.
I didn't expect he has that shot.
The problem is with Millsap and Jefferson there's not too much PT.
Still this is the best time to "tank", meaning tank to play rookies and resting all the player who are injuried or aren't in our future.

eLo · Post #13 » by **eLo** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:22 pm

Shaq and Forston both said some time ago that practicing with Mailman was great experience, so i dont now why some of you have any doubts that he will be great coach for Derrick

Post #14 » by **jazzfan1971** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:24 pm

Tell Millsap to lose 20lbs over teh summer and play SF.

Silly? Not really. We did the same thing with um... White, readheaded, volleyball playing, best interview we've had as a Jazz player PF. Cant' recall name. but, he was a PF that we told to slim down to play SF.

Post #15 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:36 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:Tell Millsap to lose 20lbs over teh summer and play SF.

Silly? Not really. We did the same thing with um... White, readheaded, volleyball playing, best interview we've had as a Jazz player PF. Cant' recall name. but, he was a PF that we told to slim down to play SF.

Adam Keefe!

outerspacefella · Post #16 » by **outerspacefella** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:11 pm

Duse's 19 years old... I really don't think he needs to play 30 minutes per game on a downright spiral team or that such a thing would be useful for him...

That said, for several reasons I think he should start along with Jefferson, just to get used to the nuances of the early pat of the game...

On his upside you can tell he's got a lot of it, but you never know how it will unfold... what I do know is dude's actually a competitive and legit NBA big at 19... that alone is kind of amazing if you ask me...

The59Sound · Post #17 » by **The59Sound** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:12 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:Tell Millsap to lose 20lbs over teh summer and play SF.

Silly? Not really. We did the same thing with um... White, readheaded, volleyball playing, best interview we've had as a Jazz player PF. Cant' recall name. but, he was a PF that we told to slim down to play SF.

I think Millsap's ball-handling and shooting are outstanding for a PF, but wouldn't be quite so elite if he moved to 3. I also worry about whether he could stay in front of people, even if he slimmed down.

eLo · Post #18 » by **eLo** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:20 pm

The59Sound wrote:I think Millsap's ball-handling and shooting are outstanding for a PF, but wouldn't be quite so elite if he moved to 3. I also worry about whether he could stay in front of people, even if he slimmed down.

well if fatty mello is playing successful as sf, why Sap cant

carrottop12 · Post #19 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:31 pm

Melo has one of the best first steps in the league, he also has an extremely quick release, and good handles.

None of those things describe Millsap.

eLo · Post #20 » by **eLo** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:51 pm

Bat wrote:Melo has one of the best first steps in the league, he also has an extremely quick release, and good handles.

None of those things describe Millsap.

well yes you are right but in same way you have to admit, that Saps first step is not bad, overall he's quite fast, and yet his release is quite slow somehow that don't bother him to have really efficient jumper. I think that we could fully take advantage on Saps talent just after he would completely transfer him self to sf position. Every single year he is coming after sumer break with better mid/long range shot, with better dribble, the next season should by an exclamation point, Sap should by fully prepared for the sf spot.