How to get Chris Paul

[blackham9258]

Chris Paul is said to be wanting to get out this summer (to NYC or Orlando). New Orleans probably thought that they had a chance at getting him, and are taking the chance that there will be some sort of franchise tag coming out of the next CBA. If there is not, Chris will probably quietly let the organization know his intentions and they will want to move fast, and I am confident KOC will be equally quick in offering up a good trade.

I also think that if Miami loses say in the 2nd round to Celtics, and NY gets quickly bounced Chris will rethink the wisdom of going to a team that has to liquidate everything to get him like NYC. That being said Chris is a smart player, and probably knows what the Jazz have in Favors, Hayward and the picks.

The trade that helps NO, and doesn't diminish us:

Harris
CJ
Bell
this years #12, or next years GSW pick.

Thats all I think it will take. NYC gave up guys that are destined to be the 3rd to 6th scoring option on a good team: Gallinari, Chandler, Felton. The case can easily be made that Harris was the best current pro traded in both the Utan and Denver deals. Certainly Favors has the highest upside, and Gallinari second to him.

NO will be able to say they are getting a 24 yr old SG/SF in CJ who finally was given the starting job and averaged 20ppg down the last 15 games of the season, a veteran SG and defensive stopper, an All Star PG who is only one year older than Chris, and a lottery pick. I think this is about the best deal out their I can think about.

Of course we don't do it unless he ru-ups before hand, but I think it is within the realm of possibility. We then go after Afflalo hard:

CP3 / Brandon Knight w 6th pick or Watson if we don't pick him
Afflalo/ Veteran or D League player
Hayward/ H Barnes if we pick him with a hopeful top 3 pick or veteran
Favors/ Millsap
Jefferson/ Okur

Resign Fes
Sign Grant Hill

Thats my plan, and I think it could happen.

[TDIDDY]

THE NBA (WHO OWNS THE TEAM) is not trading CP3 to UTAH

[HolyToledo]

Why do we want Chris Paul just for one season? We could have kept Dwill! Dwill has a better chance of going back to Utah than Chris Paul! I do agree PG is an issue as Harris has been a little disappointing.

[blackham9258]

Your point is valid, but with West their second best player basically coming back from major knee problems next year he will likely have a sub par season. If West opts out of his contract chancing that he will still get a long term deal with someone else worth taking a risk on him, the NBA will have no choice but to rebuild.

You may be right about the NBA not being willing to trade him, at least to a Orlando or NY, how would that look? The league is trying to avoid the look that the players are running the assylum and can go anywhere they want, but sending him to one of the leagues smallest markets for a great deal is nothing any of the owners could complain about. Plus they will have a chance to bid, and Chris will be the ultimate person to choose where he wants to go.

Basically Chris would have to sign an extension anywhere he went to give the league cover, or they simply won't trade him. The league will not acquiesce to any trade that doesn't include an extension and a good trade for NO. Basically he can't pull a Melo and demand one team and one team only, and the team trading the star has to end with just the best deal possible from that team. The league could say look, he wanted to go to Utah, and no one could say that the package offered isn't fair market value.

The alternative for NO is to let Chris walk after next season. If West is injured next year or gone Chris will be playing another year of his career with a non contender. I think Chris will see the wisdom of going to a "TEAM" and a franchise committed to winning. I think he will see the pieces here and will see we have youth and huge upside at the PF and C positions, and wings, plus draft picks. He also could succeed where Deron did not!

I just could really see this happening.

[blackham9258]

We only do it if he signs the extension which he is able to do come July 1st.

[retiredcoach]

HolyToledo on Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:52 pm
Why do we want Chris Paul just for one season? We could have kept Dwill! Dwill has a better chance of going back to Utah than Chris Paul! I do agree PG is an issue as Harris has been a little disappointing.

HT---Paul is not coming to Utah unless the Jazz are playing them.

As far as Harris goes, I'm not sure how a guy can play ten games on a strange team that he doesn't know and be expected to look like he's been there for years.

Harris is a top ten point guard. That's as good a point guard as the Jazz need in the starting position. All the talk about drafting a top point guard is rubbish. The Jazz need a third point that's at least as good as Watson if not better. Maybe an SG that can also play point would work out. But none of the top PG's in this draft like Irving, Walker or Knight are going to sit on the bench two or three years as a backup. Williams was pissed about having to get backup minutes for most of his first year, and that started the problems with Sloan.

The Jazz need a big defensive center, SG that's consistent in scoring or an SF that can score more consistently than CJ. If the Jazz draft an SF that can score, then they can move Hayward to the SG spot. He's going to be better than Korver or Memo at perimeter shooting. Unlike Korver, he can take it inside and he's got D to go with it. Hayward will average around 45% from the 3 line. And at least that good from inside it.

Once Hayward is the starting two and not sitting in the corner as an SF, he'll get more touches. If he shoots 12 to 15 shots a night, it will spread the defense and open up the middle. Then you will see what Harris can do.

I'm not a fan of Fredette, but if the Jazz can get a strong SF, and they happen to get Fredette at the 12th spot, he can play a bit behind Hayward with CJ in the 2 spot and maybe a little PG to replace Price. With Millsap converting to an SF over the summer, and a new SF like Williams, Barnes or Jones, the Jazz will be a strong team covered well in every position. I would also go with Kanter in the 6th spot and T. Jones in the 12th.

I think the Jazz will be very competitive next season, depending on how the draft goes. Unfortunately, the Jazz won't be able to trade. That is truly a problem.

[Neon Black]

Why do we want Chris Paul just for one season? We could have kept Dwill! Dwill has a better chance of going back to Utah than Chris Paul! I do agree PG is an issue as Harris has been a little disappointing.

It wouldn't be for one season if he agreed to re-sign, which is what blackham was saying needed to happen.

Also, Harris wouldn't be so disappointing if you didn't hold him to unrealistic standards in the first place.

blackham, it would be great if this went down and it's not outside of the realm of possibility. I don't personally see it happening...but it's nice to dream I guess.

[StocktonShorts]

Go back in time and draft him instead?

[blackham9258]

I agree that Harris is a good PG, but you can tell there is a huge drop off from Dwill. We also need a leader and CP3 is that.

But you totally lost me when you suggested Millsap as a SF. Its not going to happen, he can't defend the position. Your knowledge was spot until that moment.

I want CP3 for his star power, leadership, and team leading ability. There are 4-5 pg's in this league that make a huge difference:

Rose
DWill
Westbrook
CP3
Rondo

Next tier:
Parker
Nash
Billups
Kidd
Harris

[blackham9258]

We obviously wouldn't have Derrick Favors and these picks without having traded Deron, but this team is a championship caliber team over the next 5-7 years if we had DWill back. CP3 I think is a smart enough player to know that we have the bigs, backups (Millsap) and upside (Hayward, Favors, and Picks) and commitment to winning that make runs for years to come.

The only real competitor I see is Orlando, and I don't see them having a package of anything NO would want. Seriously, do you see NO wanting Jameer, Tukoglu with no picks? I don't.

[Paper Face]

He will not sign an extention with the Jazz. It is madness to assume it is even a possibility.

[JazzFan4Life18]

Why the hell would any of you even want CP3? Don't you see how he's mailing it in in NO right now?

[Sloanfeld]

CP3 Whined like a little bitch this summer, if the FO traded Deron, they sure as hell aren't going after him. He's going to team up like the queen, you can just tell.

[The59Sound]

New Orleans laughs at this. Loudly and for days. And I don't want to replace Deron's drama with Paul's anyway.

[sendai91]

Mods - you might as well lock this thread - CP3 wants no part of Utah ( remember his critical tweet after the Jazz traded Deron?) and would never sign here. For that reason, Utah would never trade for him. Enf of thread..

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

CP3 is highly over-rated and he wouldn't stay anyways.

[retiredcoach]

Post by blackham9258 on Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:50 pm
I agree that Harris is a good PG, but you can tell there is a huge drop off from Dwill. We also need a leader and CP3 is that.

But you totally lost me when you suggested Millsap as a SF. Its not going to happen, he can't defend the position. Your knowledge was spot until that moment.

1. There won't be a big drop off from D-Will. The biggest change will be the Jazz can now play team basketball instead of D-Will basketball. He won't be missed except by some die hard fans. The Jazz will find their leadership center, and it doesn't have to be a big name point guard. Stockton ain't coming back.

2. Millsap and Hayward are the two most versatile players the Jazz have. Millsap can convert to an SF, and he'll be very good at it. He'll swing between SF and PF. Right now Millsap is reluctant to pass the ball to Hayward despite Hayward creating scoring opportunities for Millsap. I don't know what's up with that, but if Millsap gets over it and starts working with Hayward, especially if Hayward is in the SG position, those two are going to score a lot of points and assists.

3. We'll see what happens next year, but you'll need to prepare yourself, B-928, because it's going to bite to be wrong!

Speaking of Stockton, I spoke to him about working with Harris and Watson over the summer as some on this board have suggested, and he said we should all just come over to his house for the summer..... Bring a light sweater. Those 60 degree nights can be a little cool, if you're outdoors.

[JDubJazz]

The NBA's dirty little secret is that Chris Paul's knees are in TERRIBLE shape. He'll be lucky to have another 2 or 3 years before he goes "Penny Hardaway" and is reduced to just a shell of his former self.

[Neon Black]

The NBA's dirty little secret is that Chris Paul's knees are in TERRIBLE shape. He'll be lucky to have another 2 or 3 years before he goes "Penny Hardaway" and is reduced to just a shell of his former self.

It's not that much of a secret, either. There's is this overall feeling that he'll return to form but I don't really see it. I think his demeanor and recent performance tell the story - I don't think he's playing like crap just because he wants out.

[Fido]

Assuming that Chris Paul is all those things you say, that package is not going to land him.