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Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:39 pm
by Litany
I am going to let the article do most of the talking. I just want to say that we need to realize what a good GM O'Conner is and people need to stop calling for his head when things aren't going well, because he generally makes good decisions.
O'Conner is ranked 2nd best GM in the NBA through the end of July 2010 according to this article. While I doubt he would be up there in every article, that he is up there in this one means that he isn't the bad GM some people make him out to be. I think his most brilliant was the latest trade of D-WIll and that was after this article was written. I don't agree with everything he does but I think he does a good job most of the time.
Take the time to read the writers analysis of the other GM's in the league. He obviously knows what he is talking about.
Excerpt from article:
2. Kevin O'Connor, Jazz
Hired: 1999.
Coaches: Jerry Sloan (1999-present).
Long-term plan: Build a good team that fits Sloan's vision.
Key draft picks: Deron Williams (3rd, 2005), Gordon Hayward (9rd, 2010), Ronnie Brewer (14th, 2006), Kris Humphries (14th, 2004), Kirk Snyder (16th, 2004), Sasha Pavlovic (19th, 2003), Eric Maynor (20th, 2009), CJ Miles (34th, 2005), Paul Millsap (47th, 2006), Mo Williams (47th, 2003),
Key trades:
2000: Traded Howard Eisley to the Mavericks, Adam Keefe to the Warriors and a first-round pick to the Celtics for Donyell Marshall.
2010: Traded Kosta Koufus and a future first-round pick to the Timberwolves for Al Jefferson.
Key free agent signings: Carlos Boozer in 2004 (six years, $68 million), Mehmet Okur in 2004 and 2009 (six years, $40 million, two years, $21 million), Andrei Kirilenko in 2004 (maximum contract), Matt Harpring in 2006 (five years, $25 million), Deron Williams in 2008 (maximum contract).
Key free agents let go: Boozer (2010), Karl Malone (2003), Derek Fisher (2008).
O'Connor may be the most underappreciated GM in basketball. Nobody does a better job of sticking to a plan. O'Connor has committed to Jerry Sloan as his coach and finds players that perfectly fit his system. Players like Wesley Matthews, Paul Millsap, Ronnie Brewer, C.J. Miles, Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur, Matt Harpring and even Deron Williams would all have been successful elsewhere, but their success was magnified because they were all perfect fits for Sloan. O'Connor understands that you can't just throw together talent and expect it to jell. You have to find the right kind of talent, and for over a decade, he's done exactly that.
O'Connor has also done a great job managing the luxury tax, something that will always be an issue because Utah is a small market. Last season, he made cost-cutting moves that didn't affect his team's performance, then recovered from losing Carlos Boozer by trading for Al Jefferson. His one mistake was giving Andrei Kirilenko too much money in 2004, but otherwise, his record is impeccable.
The only thing lacking is a championship, but that's tough to do when you only get one top-five pick in a decade. O'Connor used that pick well, and he's made every last move count. That's the mark of a good GM.
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/22/15823 ... riley-heat
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:42 pm
by red4hf
That article is a little out of date......
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:44 pm
by Litany
red4hf wrote:That article is a little out of date......
Yeah, it is. I point that out. Almost everyone in the world is in agreement that the Deron trade was brilliant, so that only supports the case that he is a good GM.
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:52 pm
by red4hf
I'd say he is good, even very good...... But, his drafts have been ordinary at best.......
Now, it's true that we don't know how much of that was his decision and how much was Jerry's, so it's not clear who deserves blame/credit......
Bt, all in all, I agree he's in the top echelon of GMs in the NBA.......
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:08 pm
by gojazzgo
If he was a great gm, we'd have a great team.
You can talk all you want about circumstances and only having 1 high pick etc, but many of our problems are because of contracts/extensions/signings done by O'Conner.
He's a good GM, and probably above average, but he sure gets away with very little criticism and everything gets rationalized away when he does something stupid.
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:16 pm
by HolyToledo
KOC has done the best he could under the circumstances. I think he is a very good GM. Im happy with him in Utah. I hope he stays the GM of this team for a long time.
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:31 pm
by gojazzgo
HolyToledo wrote:KOC has done the best he could under the circumstances.
Really? I can think of a bunch of things he could have done better. Do I really need to list them? I'm sure you can think of at least a few.
Im happy with him in Utah. I hope he stays the GM of this team for a long time.
Great, I'm glad you're happy that the Jazz suck. I'm sure that's everyone else's fault though and not the general MANAGER of the team. Am I saying we should fire him? Not right now, but I'd consider for sure in the next couple years depending on how the rebuilding goes. I'm not even anti-rebuilding. I'm just not confident in his ability to draft 1st round talent.
I'd hire him in a second to manage the 2nd round draft though.
Honestly, everyone seems to talk about "great based on the circumstances", but what is the job of the GM? Getting a championship? At least contending for one? You can pretend we contended a few years ago if you want, but really we haven't.
If your goal for success is a team that can get the 4th/5th seed, than he's done a fantastic job.
Also, HolyToledo, your sig makes me laugh in this case. Maybe it's the team makeup? Shouldn't team management(AKA the GM) take some blame in that? Signing an over the hill raja bell, undersized players, and softies isn't the fault of the coach. He's coaching the talent he has.
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:57 pm
by DelaneyRudd
I'll give him credit when his work comes to fruition. I also won't get pissed about his job before then.
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:35 pm
by jazzed77
gojazzgo wrote:HolyToledo wrote:KOC has done the best he could under the circumstances.
Really? I can think of a bunch of things he could have done better. Do I really need to list them? I'm sure you can think of at least a few.Im happy with him in Utah. I hope he stays the GM of this team for a long time.
Great, I'm glad you're happy that the Jazz suck. I'm sure that's everyone else's fault though and not the general MANAGER of the team. Am I saying we should fire him? Not right now, but I'd consider for sure in the next couple years depending on how the rebuilding goes. I'm not even anti-rebuilding. I'm just not confident in his ability to draft 1st round talent.
I'd hire him in a second to manage the 2nd round draft though.
Honestly, everyone seems to talk about "great based on the circumstances", but what is the job of the GM? Getting a championship? At least contending for one? You can pretend we contended a few years ago if you want, but really we haven't.
If your goal for success is a team that can get the 4th/5th seed, than he's done a fantastic job.
Also, HolyToledo, your sig makes me laugh in this case. Maybe it's the team makeup? Shouldn't team management(AKA the GM) take some blame in that? Signing an over the hill raja bell, undersized players, and softies isn't the fault of the coach. He's coaching the talent he has.
iI can think some things I wish that had been done different but I don't know how mcuh he really could have done different...it takes at least 2 teams to make a trade and supposedly needed to run his moves through LHM & Skloan
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:13 pm
by gojazzmjsucks
This is the hardest offseason he has faced in a while. He has 2 lotto pick in one of the worst drafts in years. It will be nice to see how he works his magic this time. We have had contender teams (2006 through 2008). Im from rhode island so i saw it with my Bruins for years in the NHL. they were good enough to fill the seats and give the fans a little hope. Thats not good enough for Utah anymore. If the Spurs can do it so can we. People are not going to pick the Spurs over the Mavs or Rockets but still every year they are good. Draft right and get the right coaching staff in place and we will be in good shape. We have not had too many down years like this. we are not used to feeling like we are going to lose everytime we step on the court.
Its only going to get better. We have some nice little pieces and place and some others to make trades. this is a huge offseason for the Jazz they cant drop the ball.
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:49 pm
by gojazzmjsucks
KOC also said on rotoworld.com that Harris, Hayward, Favors, and RAJA BELL were our core moving foward. I hope this is KOC tossin BS before the draft because Bell has sucked all year long.
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:19 pm
by gojazzgo
gojazzmjsucks wrote:KOC also said on rotoworld.com that Harris, Hayward, Favors, and RAJA BELL were our core moving foward.
I can't actually believe he thinks that. I don't think other GM's are dumb enough to believe it if they've watched any jazz games this year.
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:33 pm
by Soul Patch
When asked about Jimmer KOC said, "No comment." When I read that I said, "God dammit!" and kicked my dog.
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:23 pm
by hoops4life
I don't think that he can really comment about it. I don't think that he should even, if he can. You don't give away your secrets either way, if you are going to draft him or not.
Bell kind of has to be part of the core, since he is under contract.
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:27 pm
by eLo
O'Connor made loot of good decisions(Deron trade, getting Jefferson, finding talents etc.) but lets not exaggerate about how good he is. Jazz got 6 salaries in NBA and we wont make to the play offs, that should mean something. Team is poorly balanced, we dont have any good long range shooter, and we let go in that summer two of them. Signing AK for max, and stealing his game by adding to the team Booz and Memo, then after Boozer said that he will opt out extending Okur contract like if he was last big man in the entire league. He made loot of mistakes that bring us to the point where we are right now.
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:39 pm
by StocktonShorts
hoops4life wrote:I don't think that he can really comment about it. I don't think that he should even, if he can. You don't give away your secrets either way, if you are going to draft him or not.
Bell kind of has to be part of the core, since he is under contract.
Yeah, KOC can't, by rule, comment on Jimmer.
As for Bell being part of the core, I'd like to see the source for that. Here's what Brian T. Smith quotes him as saying:
Core of the team moving forward; Gordon Hayward and Derrick Favors: Yeah. What I think is, again, we're going to have to put it all back together again going into next season. Devin Harris is, to me, a very good point guard. And I think Raja would say this to you: He probably didn't have the kind of season he wanted to have. Defensively, he's done a good job. Hopefully he'll bounce back next year with that, as far as that goes. The only guy that's significant that plays that we don't have back next year is Andrei. We've got a couple draft picks, and I think it's a matter of evaluating in the offseason. It's their responsibility, too, as players to get better. Look, Al's [26]. He's coming into the prime of his career hopefully. He needs to get better. We need to do a better job managing. I need to do a better job, Ty needs to do a better job. The Miller family has given us everything we've asked for. So, it's our responsibility and it's right on us. It starts with me and it works all the way down to the coaches, to the players, to the people trying to keep them healthy, everybody. Everybody's involved with this and everybody's got to do it and we'll be judged accordingly. Our report card is public.
Re: Kevin O'Conner doesn't get the credit he deserves
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:09 pm
by Ugly0598
If KOC and staff want to better, they need to wake up and smell the coffee that Raja Bell doesn't play defense anymore, he can't hit shots. You might as well put him in the Brian Scalabrine role now if you're going to keep him lol.
I don't have a big issue keeping CJ Miles, I think he shows he can be decent as a starter.