Should we rebuild completely?

carrottop12 · Post #1 » by **carrottop12** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 5:33 am

I am looking at this line up, and while we certainly aren't good enough as is to make the playoffs this year, I do worry that we have too many guys on team taking valuable minutes away from our youngsters to allow them to develop properly.

So, should we rebuild completely? What do you think?

By rebuild completely I mean getting rid of most of our vets including Devin Harris and one of Millsap/Jefferson.

I just don't know if Harris is the pass first type of PG we need to run our system, and I don't think the Millsap/Jefferson front line works. I don't believe in Millsap as an SF either, I just don't think he has the size or speed to do it 82 games a year.

Maybe if we bring Millsap off the bench in favor of Favors, but I am still not sure if that would work.

I would love to see the Jazz package the Nets pick and one of these guys to move up into the top 3 and get a top pick to nab Irving, and even then I think we still have at least one more guy that needs to go of that trio.

Then I think we should let AK, Ronnie, and CJ walk, and see if we can move Raja. I know the Jazz need to make the playoffs to make money, but allowing ourselves to have a lower salary cap via having rookie contracts could help make up for a bad team. Plus, we need to add more young pieces, and the draft is the best way to do it.

What do you think?

yonexpro1 · Post #2 » by **yonexpro1** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 5:38 am

I would like to trade up and snatch irving.....

But in all seriousness I think this team is 1 or 2 solid players away from competing in the playoffs.

For all we know hayward could evolve into one of those and maybe favors and we just get role players for the next year or 2. Give these guys a fresh start and a years more experienced hayward and favors and we could possibly make the playoffs next year.

Ugly0598 · Post #3 » by **Ugly0598** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 5:40 am

Don't get rid of Paul, his value to this team is underrated, especially if he was your 6th Man like a lot of people want to do. But yes, I wouldn't mind us getting rid of Jefferson and Harris.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #4 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 5:41 am

I don't think you need to get rid of Millsap, Jefferson or Harris just yet but I'm fine with letting everyone else walking and going from there.

yonexpro1 · Post #5 » by **yonexpro1** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 5:46 am

I am not desperate but curious..
What would you guys say to trading like this:

Harris or Al plus our 12th or next yrs GS pick for a top 2 pick this year

With that we could get irving and maybe kanter or valanciuas( however you spell his name)

I don't wanna be put on blast seeing how This is the first trade Idea I have ever posted.

Oviously I dont know if teams do that but I bet Minn would want a Devin Harris especially if rubio isnt coming over.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #6 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 5:54 am

I have a feeling that the Minny pick would be attainable for the right price. Not sure what they would want though....

Paper Face · Post #7 » by **Paper Face** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 6:24 am

Jefferson and Harris are still young, so this team can mold them and build around them. Giving up on them after one season would be a mistake.

We should absolutely keep Millsap. Favors will get plenty of time, but he's a big man and it takes them longer to get proficient at the pro game. Having Paul and Al around will allow him to grow naturally instead of depending on him while he's still too young to be a franchise player.

We have great pieces, and we're going to get more this summer, so it's better to put it all together and see what Corbin can do with it over the next couple of years.

Litany · Post #8 » by **Litany** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 6:38 am

My thoughts:

Millsap needs to be our 4 coming off the bench.

Favors needs to start at the 4.

Jefferson start at the 5.

Hayward start at the 2

Hope we win the lottery. If we do, and Barnes is in the draft, take him.
If we get 2nd pick and Barnes is gone (he would go first before Irving if Washington won it) take Irving. After Irving or Barnes, I want Williams.
If we stay at #6 and #12 I have no idea who we want.

Bottom line though is Favors and Hayward are 2 keys to the future of this team. We need to do whatever we need to to make sure they are utilized at all times.

I am still sickened that after that first half Favors had, that he didn't play almost the whole 2nd half. Even if he had a bad first half, he should still be in there. Just makes it that much more mind boggling that he wasn't in there. Ugh, I'm being an armchair coach, but it makes zero sense.

Litany · Post #9 » by **Litany** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 6:44 am

Paper Face wrote:Jefferson and Harris are still young, so this team can mold them and build around them. Giving up on them after one season would be a mistake.

We should absolutely keep Millsap. Favors will get plenty of time, but he's a big man and it takes them longer to get proficient at the pro game. Having Paul and Al around will allow him to grow naturally instead of depending on him while he's still too young to be a franchise player.

We have great pieces, and we're going to get more this summer, so it's better to put it all together and see what Corbin can do with it over the next couple of years.

Well said.

Really, the future is Hayward and Favors. But they do need time. They will be our franchise in the future but having Al at the 5 and Millsap being our Odom/Ginobli and Harris getting accustomed to the Utah system, I think we will be fine.

I hope we get a sweet pick. I guess we will see soon.

J_Ray · Post #10 » by **J_Ray** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 6:54 am

Al Jefferson is the player that should be moved. There's a reason he's never been on a winning team, the guy is a blackhold and a rebounder but he's not efficient enough or good enough defensively to put a team over the top. I'm a team like Cleveland would be interested in some kind of swap if they're in the top 3 where we could swap picks and Jefferson & Varejao, who fits the team mold much better while securing a better pick. I also believe we can't let Kirilenko walk if he's willing to sign for a discount. He may not be consistent, but he's been good in games w/o Deron Williams where we are more of a team passing the rock and you can't deny his defensive prowess. Utah just needs some shooting off the bench if we're starting Hayward @ the 2, C.J. Miles and Raja Bell aren't effective enough.

BringtheD · Post #11 » by **BringtheD** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 8:36 am

keep millsap at the three spot, it's good for a tweener like him, jazz will make up for the undersized center, i say keep the team together, see if it can gelll along with the lottol picks which i don't think anyone expects much from, if there is anything it's fools gold in this draft, oh hum, so much for tanking it, could be a bigger project when you have expectations for a championship, so i want all the gurus to explain to me how this is going to work out?

BringtheD · Post #12 » by **BringtheD** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 8:44 am

i'm going to say to all the nancy haters, how do yo uknow we didn't have a caliber type of team, just a year ago, a little mojo from those who know morethan me, why not? is the schemes of other teams that better than the jazz that now we are now bottom dwellers, this fate will be sealed it is momentume in the wrong direction, beware.

Soul Patch · Post #13 » by **Soul Patch** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 9:26 am

How many games has our current roster played together?

Reckless · Post #14 » by **Reckless** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 10:23 am

We need to trade up and grab Derrick Williams.
Build around a young core of the new D-Will, Hayward, and Favors. Keep Big Al.

Trade Millsap,Harris, Bell. Go after a pass first PG and a starting caliber SG.

That's what i would do.

Post #15 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 2:16 pm

I think AK would be a valuable guy to have on the roster if the goal is to develop the young guys. He's the most unselfish player on the team and generally makes everyone else better.

The59Sound · Post #16 » by **The59Sound** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 2:47 pm

HappyProle wrote:I think AK would be a valuable guy to have on the roster if the goal is to develop the young guys. He's the most unselfish player on the team and generally makes everyone else better.

I agree. And even if we go into a "full rebuild," that doesn't mean you suddenly want to get rid of every veteran player you have. History tells us veterans are very necessary to the development of a rebuilding team. You don't want twelve 20 year-olds running around like headless chickens.

gojazzmjsucks · Post #17 » by **gojazzmjsucks** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 3:18 pm

I would really like to use our 12th pick to get Kawhi Lenard. I know he didnt have the greatest NCaa but at one point people were saying he was one of the best in the nation. He could be our next AK. As for completly rebuilding i dont think we need to do that. Milsap has earned a starting roll in this league and i would not be happy if i was him if i got moved to the bench. Im really hopeing for Barnes or D-will too because i think we need a star at the 3 with Hayward at the 2. I really like Harris. He hasnt been with the team long at all. I want to see a full season out of him.

My question is whats going on with Tomic? He's 24 now and seems to be doing well oversees so is he coming over to us this year or what? It would be like having 3 1st rounders coming to our team in one offseason.
As for who we let go i say Bell,Price,Fes,Elson and get rid of CJ. If we dont get a top 3 pick then i say take Kemba or knight and run the mighty mouse line up off the bench with Watson. I definetly want Watson back next year.

Litany · Post #18 » by **Litany** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 3:29 pm

gojazzmjsucks wrote:I would really like to use our 12th pick to get Kawhi Lenard. I know he didnt have the greatest NCaa but at one point people were saying he was one of the best in the nation. He could be our next AK. As for completly rebuilding i dont think we need to do that. Milsap has earned a starting roll in this league and i would not be happy if i was him if i got moved to the bench. Im really hopeing for Barnes or D-will too because i think we need a star at the 3 with Hayward at the 2. I really like Harris. He hasnt been with the team long at all. I want to see a full season out of him.

My question is whats going on with Tomic? He's 24 now and seems to be doing well oversees so is he coming over to us this year or what? It would be like having 3 1st rounders coming to our team in one offseason.
As for who we let go i say Bell,Price,Fes,Elson and get rid of CJ. If we dont get a top 3 pick then i say take Kemba or knight and run the mighty mouse line up off the bench with Watson. I definetly want Watson back next year.

If we want to become title contenders, Millsap needs to come off the bench. I have officially changed my stance that he should play SF. We cant play this matchups game every night. We need a true wing.

With Millsap at the 4 we will be a lottery team, same as the 3. He needs to be our Odom/Ginobli. Our 6th man. He needs to come off the bench and get his against the other teams bench players. He isn't a starter here and he isn't one on another team. If he wants to be a champion he will accept this role. If he wont, we have to deal him. I love the guy, but thats the truth. This year alone should be proof enough.

Derrick Favors is the PF of the future. He is a piece that will help lead us to a championship.

As far as Tomic goes, he is still under contract and his buyout is huge this year. Maybe next year.

The59Sound · Post #19 » by **The59Sound** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 4:03 pm

Millsap is definitely a legitimate starter in this league. It can be argued that he's not a fit for us in that role, but I don't think it's fair to say he wouldn't or shouldn't start for any team.

Litany · Post #20 » by **Litany** » Fri Apr 8, 2011 4:11 pm

The59Sound wrote:Millsap is definitely a legitimate starter in this league. It can be argued that he's not a fit for us in that role, but I don't think it's fair to say he wouldn't or shouldn't start for any team.

What team would he start for that would be a championship contender? Sorry but a 6 5' starting Power Forward will never help you win a championship.

He is outmatched all night long on a nightly basis. I don't care if he gets in his jumpers. He gets worked on the defensive end by all the starting PF's in the league.

He needs to come off the bench and get his vs the other bench PF's.

For those who are going to say he is 6 8' or w/ever the stats say, just talk call in and ask Boler or Locke. He is 6 5'

If Millsap is 6 8' then I'm 6 6'.