Why the Jazz should draft Bismack Biyombo

Neon Black · Post #1 » by **Neon Black** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:26 am

1. If the Jazz pick 6th or later with the Net's pick, I think they should consider Biyombo over Kemba Walker, if Knight is already off the board. He's also a better prospect, imo, than some of these Euro centers.

(The league is infatuated w/ PG's and I think that has raised the draft stock of some of these guys. I'm not sure that Kemba is any more of a lock than Fredette in regards to his NBA potential).

Why, you ask?

1. The Jazz have had skilled players over the past few years, but these players have been plagued by inconsistency and a perceived lack of drive and intensity. Biyombo has that. You can tell by the way he speaks, by his defensive dominance no matter where or when he plays.

2. We're in rebuild mode, and Biyombo will likely reach his prime at the same time that Favors does. If they reach their potential, that is an absolutely dominant long, athletic front court with incredible skill on both ends of the floor. Yeah he's not 7 ft tall, but he has a 7'7 wingspan and the heart to overcome it. He plays more like a 7 footer than Fes or Koufos ever will.

3. He very well could stay in Utah long-term. We have to face it - whoever we sign, there's a realistic chance they'll leave for more exciting venues. Bismack talks about watching Karl Malone growing up. It seems like players from overseas are more fond of Utah than nationally local guys.

4. We need guards that can shoot...but who would take JJ Redick if they can have Ben Wallace? Some of the guards available at 12 have just as much potential as the ones at 6 or 7, anyway.

The end.

babyjax13 · Post #2 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:54 am

I've decided on Vessely...but I think that BB is worth the risk at 12 (not 6).

Neon Black · Post #3 » by **Neon Black** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:38 am

Biyombo is not going to be available after 10, guaranteed.

Jazzfan12 · Post #4 » by **Jazzfan12** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:39 am

I like him (And he's an exceptional fit next to Al/Millsap), but I'm also terrified of him.

HammerDunk · Post #5 » by **HammerDunk** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:53 am

We're still talking about another undersized big??? Time to learn from our mistakes.

Jazzfan12 · Post #6 » by **Jazzfan12** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:00 am

HammerDunk wrote:We're still talking about another undersized big??? Time to learn from our mistakes.

Biyombo is not undersized in the slightest.

Dwight standing reach: 9'3.5
Biyombo: 9'3
Dwight weight entering league: 240
Biyombo: 240

HammerDunk · Post #7 » by **HammerDunk** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:37 am

He's a 6'9 center. That is undersized when you want to beat the big boys.

Post #8 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:40 am

So his neck is 3 inches short. Where are his shoulders?

Jazzfan12 · Post #9 » by **Jazzfan12** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:54 pm

HammerDunk wrote:He's a 6'9 center. That is undersized when you want to beat the big boys.

What does height matter in interior defense? If he has the strength and standing reach to defend centers, then his height doesn't matter at all.

idajazz · Post #10 » by **idajazz** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:10 pm

I think he is a huge risk reward type. I like what I have read, still not sure he is worth taking a gamble with a top ten. At 12 you gotta take a close look.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #11 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:57 pm

I'd say go for it with Barnes now returning to school. This draft could really, REALLY suck. The only bright spot is with everyone dropping out of the draft, teams may be more likely to trade down on the cheap... but then again, who is even worth trading up for. (Outside of Irving/WIlliams)

Neon Black · Post #12 » by **Neon Black** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:05 pm

He's not undersized. Everyone has this assumption that centers have to be 7 feet tall in this league, when most 7 footers in the NBA pretty much suck. I don't think people understand the implications of a 7'7 wingspan, and how it matters more than height - and Delaney makes a good point about neck length. A player's height can often be padded by a long neck which consists of, basically, wasted inches. Shoulder height, standing reach and wingspan are leaps and bounds more significant.

Fido · Post #13 » by **Fido** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:24 pm

It is always dangerous to buy into the hype on these young guys who haven't proven anything on any kind of stage yet. Here is the NBADRAFT scouting report which was updated as of this month. Please don't stop reading after the "Strengths" paragraph:

NBA Comparison: Olumide Oyedeji/ Larry Sanders
Strengths: A bigtime shot blocker with tremendous length (7-7 wingspan) and athleticism for a bigman. Intimidating force on the defensive end ... Protects the rim well and shows excellent timing and reflexes on blocked shots ... Runs the floor very fast. Plays with a high motor, brings energy to the team defensively ... Has made an impact at the senior level in Europe playing in Spain (17 min, 6.4 ppg and 5 rpg, 2.3 blk) in a short amount of time ... Thick, strong legs. Powerful frame. Already has an NBA body ... Hustles for rebounds ... Shows a mature, positive attitude. Speaks English well ... His offensive rebounding and put backs are currently his most effective offensive weapon ...

Weaknesses: Offensive game is as raw as it gets and a long ways from being effective at the NBA level ... Basic fundamentals and technique are way behind, and may never catch up ... Listed at 18 years of age, but scouts are skeptical that he could be a few years older ... Footwork and offensive skills are basically non-existent. His jumpshot is more of a set shot and doesn't have a clean release ... Appears to strictly be a two foot leaper ... Brings the ball down too low when he gets it inside (and before he dunks), allowing smaller players access to it ... Reaction speed offensively is questionable ... Rebounding (primarily defensive) technique needs improvement, he currently gets most of his boards due to his physical attributes ... Hands are average ... Has yet to face high caliber bigmen on a consistent basis (has just 14 games of experience on the senior level) ...

Outlook: Has become an instant internet sensation receiving a ton of hype due to his tremendous length and explosiveness ... He'll look to ride that wave into becoming a first round pick in this year's draft ... Considered a huge risk with so many unknowns ... Was discovered in a Yemen youth basketball tournament at "age 16" and brought to Spain to continue his basketball career ... Made his ACB debut on Jan 9th, 2011 ... Has an uphill battle after many recent African players before him (Yinka Dare, Saer Sene, John Riek, Kene Obi, etc) have struggled to live up to their hype ... Will attempt to replicate the success that his countryman Serge Ibaka has had ...

Aran Smith 4/10/11

Based on those reviews, I'd dispute the slam-dunkiness your assessment paints for him.

PS: NBADraft.net has him at 25, DraftExpress has him going to the Jazz at 6 as of this morining. That to me shows how all over the board the "experts" are about him. Is he going to work out in any of the pre-draft camps?

The59Sound · Post #14 » by **The59Sound** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:39 pm

NBADRAFT also has Jimmer going 7th, so I take anything they say with ten packets of salt. Really not impressed by that sight at all. That said, there's a lot of unanswered questions about Biyombo. I'm still very interested; hopefully he has a good workout.

HammerDunk · Post #15 » by **HammerDunk** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:18 pm

7 footers work for the Lakers... Who was the last dominant 6'9 center?

Add that to a shroud of mystery around this guy, and I think it's a massive risk that is not worth taking.

jazzed77 · Post #16 » by **jazzed77** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:28 pm

HammerDunk wrote:7 footers work for the Lakers... Who was the last dominant 6'9 center?

Add that to a shroud of mystery around this guy, and I think it's a massive risk that is not worth taking.

Howard??? Or if you mean that actually anchored a championship team then it's Wallace.....

HammerDunk · Post #17 » by **HammerDunk** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:38 pm

Howard is 6'11... Wallace was lucky that he didn't have the twin towers of LA to deal with. What a joke this draft is becoming. I hope the Jazz can at least get a bench player out of it...

The Sheik · Post #18 » by **The Sheik** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:08 pm

Biyombo sounds like a more raw version of Favors...doesnt make much sense.

Neon Black · Post #19 » by **Neon Black** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:19 pm

Fido wrote:It is always dangerous to buy into the hype on these young guys who haven't proven anything on any kind of stage yet. Here is the NBADRAFT scouting report which was updated as of this month. Please don't stop reading after the "Strengths" paragraph:

NBA Comparison: Olumide Oyedeji/ Larry Sanders
Strengths: A bigtime shot blocker with tremendous length (7-7 wingspan) and athleticism for a bigman. Intimidating force on the defensive end ... Protects the rim well and shows excellent timing and reflexes on blocked shots ... Runs the floor very fast. Plays with a high motor, brings energy to the team defensively ... Has made an impact at the senior level in Europe playing in Spain (17 min, 6.4 ppg and 5 rpg, 2.3 blk) in a short amount of time ... Thick, strong legs. Powerful frame. Already has an NBA body ... Hustles for rebounds ... Shows a mature, positive attitude. Speaks English well ... His offensive rebounding and put backs are currently his most effective offensive weapon ...

Weaknesses: Offensive game is as raw as it gets and a long ways from being effective at the NBA level ... Basic fundamentals and technique are way behind, and may never catch up ... Listed at 18 years of age, but scouts are skeptical that he could be a few years older ... Footwork and offensive skills are basically non-existent. His jumpshot is more of a set shot and doesn't have a clean release ... Appears to strictly be a two foot leaper ... Brings the ball down too low when he gets it inside (and before he dunks), allowing smaller players access to it ... Reaction speed offensively is questionable ... Rebounding (primarily defensive) technique needs improvement, he currently gets most of his boards due to his physical attributes ... Hands are average ... Has yet to face high caliber bigmen on a consistent basis (has just 14 games of experience on the senior level) ...

Outlook: Has become an instant internet sensation receiving a ton of hype due to his tremendous length and explosiveness ... He'll look to ride that wave into becoming a first round pick in this year's draft ... Considered a huge risk with so many unknowns ... Was discovered in a Yemen youth basketball tournament at "age 16" and brought to Spain to continue his basketball career ... Made his ACB debut on Jan 9th, 2011 ... Has an uphill battle after many recent African players before him (Yinka Dare, Saer Sene, John Riek, Kene Obi, etc) have struggled to live up to their hype ... Will attempt to replicate the success that his countryman Serge Ibaka has had ...

Aran Smith 4/10/11

Based on those reviews, I'd dispute the slam-dunkiness your assessment paints for him.

PS: NBADraft.net has him at 25, DraftExpress has him going to the Jazz at 6 as of this morining. That to me shows how all over the board the "experts" are about him. Is he going to work out in any of the pre-draft camps?

Scouting reports like this are great, they definitely go into morbid detail about strengths and weaknesses, and because of that detail people get freaked. I don't think it's effective to highlight all of the negatives and risk factors it lists regarding Biyombo and allowing that to scare you away from an amazing prospect.

I could do the same thing for whoever you wanted the Jazz to draft...especially if that guy is Kemba Walker.

The biggest concern isn't his shot or rebounding mechanics...yeah he needs work but he gets it done, doesn't he? The biggest concern is his age.

That said, according to all information he most likely is legitimately 18. Go read up on it; even though there's no definitive answer, most signs point to him being as young as he says he is. Even then, even if he's 21 or 22, there's still tons of room to grow and work on his little issues.

countrybama24 · Post #20 » by **countrybama24** » Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:23 pm

HammerDunk wrote:He's a 6'9 center. That is undersized when you want to beat the big boys.

Tell that to Ben Wallace.

A 7 '7 wingspan, strength and great vertical go a long way to offsetting the undersized label. I'd be ok with taking him. PGs are a dime a dozen every draft. Sucks barnes is out, I'd still rather trade for someones pick next year (cavs / raptors / twolves)... but that seems doubtful.