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LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Fri May 6, 2011 5:54 am
by sunevisions
LAL Out: Bynum + S.Brown (S&T around 4 yrs 20-24mil) + Blake + 12 or 13 first round pick + filler
LAL In: Jefferson + Harris + Bell
Jazz Out: Jefferson + Harris + Bell
Jazz In: Bynum + S.Brown (S&T around 4 yrs 20-24mil) + Blake + 12 or 13 first round pick + filler
Reason Why:
LAL: likely out in 10-11 2nd, LAL need to re-structure and mantain title hope. Bynum is their only valuable asset. LAL fans will prefer Howard, but only Bynum can't match Magic requirment. If trade with Gasol, no reason Howard going to aging LAL.
Jefferson + Gasol + Odom still have dangerous low post game, still long enough. May be a little bit downside defense, also a little bit upside offense... ...
Harris may not be a pass first pg, but harris can score, and the main pt is Harris can defense PG especially nowadays... Harris is a huge upgrade from Fisher. Harris can share Kobe defense effort.
Bell also is a great role player for LAL, who can play SG or SF, shoot the 3, play defense.
LAL still be Title Contender during Kobe career.
Jazz: when trading out D-will, jazz on rebuild mode. Favors + Hayward is our rebuild core. Adding Bynum and pair with Favors, will make Jazz have a great future in low post, both are long, can defense, Great potential, can develop the offense game.
Bynum is the only player Jazz want in this trade, S.Brown may be our part-time starter, but he can scores 15 ppg when he start for Jazz, also he still be our valuable asset during our re-build.
Bynum + Favors + Hayward + 11 Net pick (no. 6) + 11 Jazz own Pick (no.12)
After the trade, Jazz still have some valuable asset for re-build:
1, Millsap
2, Okur expiring contact
3, S.Brown with decent contact
4, 12 GS protected pick
Hopefully we can win the lottery and get Irving or D.Williams to play pg or sf.
Or we can use our asset + pick to trade up.
e.g. Trade Millsap+ Okur+ 12 pick for Was pick + Lewis + fillers
Jazz can be contender during 13-14.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Fri May 6, 2011 6:21 am
by Bullet
This trade is totally in the Lakers' favor. Bynum is oft-injured and Blake and Brown are not starter quality. The Jazz are basically giving up two (or three?) starters for a starter who can't play 82 games.
And I'm totally not sold on the Jazz being on rebuild mode. My opinion is that they'll try to win next year while giving the youngsters the needed minutes. Jefferson, Millsap and Harris all come off the books in two years. I'd prefer they wait it out on these guys' contracts to let Hayward and Favors develop before handing them the reins.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Fri May 6, 2011 6:59 am
by sunevisions
If we are on re-build mode and target 13-14, I won't suggest Jazz try to win next year.
Adding 2 pick + current roster, we may win 35-45 games, we can get late lottery or 1st round playoff...!!
I don't think jazz try to win next year is a gd opinion...!!
Bynum may have injury problem, but who can be a better options for jazz pair with favors in next 5-8 years...??
Bynum + Favors can dominate the low post in future...!!
also we will have 4 lottery pick in 10-11 and 11-12...!! build around Bynum + Favors + Hayward...!!
and all the player come off the book after 12-13, then we can target 13/14 just like this year Bulls !!
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Fri May 6, 2011 8:08 am
by Wolverine
terrible
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Fri May 6, 2011 12:32 pm
by babyjax13
I don't think that the Lakers would do this.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Fri May 6, 2011 5:00 pm
by StocktonShorts
babyjax13 wrote:I don't think that the Lakers would do this.
+1
If healthy, Bynum is capable of being the best center in the Western Conference. But he's injury-prone and he makes a ton of money. The Lakers can afford to pay a guy $13M even if he only plays 50-60 games/year. I'm not sure many other teams can.
In other words, he's high-risk, high-reward, but if you're the Lakers those risks are mitigated by being rich and having Pau Gasol.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Fri May 6, 2011 7:40 pm
by HammerDunk
I could see LA doing this, and having Bynum would be crazy here. I would do it.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Sat May 7, 2011 2:24 am
by dr0welf
I like Shannon Brown, but I'm not really a Bynum fan. I wouldn't trade Devin Harris unless we had our future point guard and Blake is definately not it. I'd say no to the trade.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Sat May 7, 2011 4:21 am
by HammerDunk
You would rather keep Harris than take Bynum? Wow, he is the type of guy that could instantly make the Jazz a playoff team if he stays healthy, and it's not like Harris isn't fragile as well.
I like Harris, but keeping him instead of getting Bynum is pure lunacy if it were a straight across thing.
I actually really like Brown too. He would bring more to the team than CJ for sure. I would trade Blake ASAP though.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Sat May 7, 2011 7:05 am
by sunevisions
HammerDunk wrote:You would rather keep Harris than take Bynum? Wow, he is the type of guy that could instantly make the Jazz a playoff team if he stays healthy, and it's not like Harris isn't fragile as well.
I like Harris, but keeping him instead of getting Bynum is pure lunacy if it were a straight across thing.
I actually really like Brown too. He would bring more to the team than CJ for sure. I would trade Blake ASAP though.
That exactly what i think.
Keeping Jefferson and Harris waiting Favors + Hayward + 2 11picks can't make Jazz be a real contender, it just repeat D-will+Boozer Era, like 4-5 seed in West...!!
Bynum + Favors be our low post, will be a great future... ...!! Just like Ducan + D. Robinson or Bynum + Gasol... ...
Hayward + 11 pick (try to package our assets to get-> Irving or Derrick Williams)
this 4 players as Jazz re-bulid core...!!
We still have some assets for example, Okur, 12 G.S. pick, etc
The only reason is Bynum have Injury history, but who is better low post prospect pair with Favors??
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Sat May 7, 2011 2:31 pm
by kamazilla
^ ^ ^
I agree with the idea that the most effective course is building a team with 3-4 outstanding players and complimenting them with players who are efficient, effective, consistent and fill a specific role very well.
Th problem always with the D-Will/ Boozer/ AK/ Okur core was not a lack of talent, but that the talent collective was glaringly lacking in some very important fundamental areas. Injury problems didn't help, either.
Over six years, the weaknesses of that team were never adequately addressed. A Bynum/ Favors/ Hayward/ Millsap core would be a more balanced beginning, assuming we can find our future PG and wing help in the draft.
If Bynum's injury history proves predictive of his proneness to injury going forward, then this would be bad deal. But I see no real reason for the Lakers to consider it anyway- they would end up being unbalanced just as the D-Will Jazz was.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Sun May 8, 2011 1:30 am
by HammerDunk
kamazilla wrote:But I see no real reason for the Lakers to consider it anyway- they would end up being unbalanced just as the D-Will Jazz was.
Heads are gonna roll if the Mavs pull off this sweep, and the egos are going to demand that something be done to get the Lakers back to winning chips. It depends on if you think Bynum is Kobe or Shaq this time around. Trades are going to happen, believe it.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Sun May 8, 2011 1:49 am
by StocktonShorts
HammerDunk wrote:kamazilla wrote:But I see no real reason for the Lakers to consider it anyway- they would end up being unbalanced just as the D-Will Jazz was.
Heads are gonna roll if the Mavs pull off this sweep, and the egos are going to demand that something be done to get the Lakers back to winning chips. It depends on if you think Bynum is Kobe or Shaq this time around. Trades are going to happen, believe it.
It'll be Gasol who is dealt.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Sun May 8, 2011 3:11 am
by kamazilla
^ ^ ^
Exactly.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Sun May 8, 2011 3:19 am
by Sloanfeld
I think it's crazy to break up the Lakers if they lose, unless there's some internal problems that aren't being publicized. It's a complete overreaction. If they lose, it's just unfortunate for them that they ran into a team that matches up better with them, kind of like us the last three years of the Deron/Boozer era, I feel we would have won the west if we didn't have to face LA. LA would beat any other team in the conference right now. Two of the three games were there for the taking. LA didn't get the calls that they usually do in game one and had a bad turnover or two down the stretch. Game three was a complete choke. If the had Predrag instead of Dallas, I think the series would probably be 2-1 LA right now. The three point shot is killing them on both sides of the ball in this series.
It's been a while since LA lost a playoff series, the overreaction is somewhat understandable considering the standards that have been set, but in no way is their future of being a legitimate contender in any immediate jeopardy.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Sun May 8, 2011 9:40 pm
by HammerDunk
Nevermind, Bynum can keep his thug ass in LA or anywhere else, he doesn't belong here. That was one of the worst things I have seen in the NBA since the brawl in the stands. Wow, nice sore loser. Nice team Phil and Jerry. High class.
You still think the Lakers won't trade him after that? The dude couldn't rip off his Laker jersey fast enough. I think he is done with LA and they are done with him.
I can't believe the class the Mavs handled that and the Odom and Artest fouls with, they are actually a very classy and composed team. They clearly are on a mission and are focused.
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Sun May 8, 2011 9:58 pm
by hoops4life
HAHA
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Mon May 9, 2011 6:56 am
by sunevisions
LAL need to think about their future direction~~
1, Maintain their title hope before Kobe retire??
2, Re-build the team??
if go for: 1, Maintain their title hope before Kobe retire??
To be honest, Bynum is the only valuable asset for LAL. During 11 playoff, Gasol value downside so much, with his Huge contact at that age, I don't think any team will trade valuable player for Gasol. Odom may be better, but how gd can LAL get from trading Odom?? Avg starter or Gd Sixth man??
No need to mention other player... ...
Thats the reason why LAL will trade Bynum if they want to maintain their title hope at Kobe Era.
If go for 2: Rebuild mode
If then, Bynum will be thier re-build core. But I don't think LAL will do it~~
Of course, they can do nothing, and wait Kobe retire...~~ haha~~
IMO, LAL will trade Bynum to get some chips to be contender~~
The only question is: Can Jazz land Bynum? Is Bynum fit to be Jazz re-build core??
I just want to ask a question, who can pair with Favors in Low Post for Jazz in next 5-8 years??
Bogut? => also injury problem and older than Bynum
B. Lopez? => already show doesn't work in NJN also be NJN's core chips for Howard
Horford? => long enough? 2 PF??
Oden? => can he still in NBA?
Cousins? => King may trade Evans before Cousins
Or we can wait the future draft until 20??
2, Can Jazz land Bynum?
LAL hole is PG and a gd (but not great) player to replace Center.
Jazz can offer Jefferson and Harris...
Beside Jazz,
Nugget can offer Felton + Nene or may be include Chandler, JR smith etc
Suns: Nash + R.Lopez
GS: Eills + Andris Biedrins
Spurs: Tony Parker + Ducan
I just worry LAL can get better offer than Jazz can do~~
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Mon May 9, 2011 7:02 pm
by Getjazz
No way do the Jazz offer Jefferson and Harris for Bynum! Thats crazy!!!
Re: LAL/ Jazz... Bynum -> Jazz
Posted: Mon May 9, 2011 7:05 pm
by Paper Face
Bynum should be a Nugget.