Thoughts on trading Millsap

Skin · Post #1 » by **Skin** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:18 am

With the acquisition of Favors, Millsap becomes a road block to his development and playing time. He's still a highly attractive asset and value, but I think he should be traded.

I'm sure many scenarios will be shared, but as a Magic fan I have to ask if this is even remotely possible.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4xcxtj6

Millsap/Bell for Redick/Bass/Anderson/2011 2nd rounder?

Redick has 2 years left, but the last year is ungaranteed.
Bass has 2 years left, last year is a player option
Anderson has 2 years left and makes $2.2 and $3.2 (qualifying offer) respectively.

Reckless · Post #2 » by **Reckless** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:53 am

ewww

Millsap is worth more than that to us, he's still a solid player just think he's better of the bench.

Millsap could be 6th man of the year on the right team

Jazzfan12 · Post #3 » by **Jazzfan12** » Sat May 21, 2011 1:26 pm

How is Millsap better off the bench? His PER and most advanced stats are way better when he's starting. He didn't defend or rebound better the season before last when coming off the bench and way worse offensively.

Hoops Addict · Post #4 » by **Hoops Addict** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:11 pm

No need to try to trade Milsap......a 17ppg, very hard worker, awesome player........unless there is a great return.

Milsap went 10-10 the previous year in game 1 against Denver. He is money....and always brings a hard working attitude.

He is great defensively and can play SF, so why trade him for scraps.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #5 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:14 pm

In all honesty that would be a steal for us. I would do that deal no doubt about it.

You guys need to be more realistic about the value of Millsap...do you remember the rumors around the deadline including him? That deal would be a gift compared to what we we're getting offered for him before. I doubt Orlando makes that move since they are going to end up trading Howard to LA anyways but who knows....maybe that's part of their rebuilding phase. If they do move Howard though, don't expect to be getting any first rounders from them unless they have tons of protections.

I hate to say it but unless Millsap is willing to come off the bench as our sixth man then we need to move him this off season. I've been the guy who defended him from the moment we drafted him and ever since then but I have to be objective and realistic about him and the situation the team is in.

eLo · Post #6 » by **eLo** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:23 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I hate to say it but unless Millsap is willing to come off the bench as our sixth man then we need to move him this off season. I've been the guy who defended him from the moment we drafted him and ever since then but I have to be objective and realistic about him and the situation the team is in.

there is seriously no reason to trade Sap, plus for goodness sake he is a true Jazzman that team will loss totally its identity if we gonna trade or let loss players like Sap, hard workers planing with passion and commitment. And stop saying Sap or Favors development, as Paul is great utility guy he does every thing that teams need to, you can put him as sf as 6 guy etc.

carrottop12 · Post #7 » by **carrottop12** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:29 pm

Hoops Addict wrote:No need to try to trade Milsap......a 17ppg, very hard worker, awesome player........unless there is a great return.

Milsap went 10-10 the previous year in game 1 against Denver. He is money....and always brings a hard working attitude.

He is great defensively and can play SF, so why trade him for scraps.

he's actually awful defensively, giving up 54% fg Against players he guards, one of the worst in the league actually, and he's never showed a long stretch of playing sf. Not saying he can't, we just haven't really seen it.

eLo · Post #8 » by **eLo** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:36 pm

Bat wrote:he's actually awful defensively, giving up 54% fg Against players he guards, one of the worst in the league actually

at certain machups he really looks bad, but only juging on % i not great idea, i would really like to see how much pts he allowed to get by his opponent

babyjax13 · Post #9 » by **babyjax13** » Sat May 21, 2011 7:38 pm

I can't think of a way to say "no" emphatically enough to that deal.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #10 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Sat May 21, 2011 9:04 pm

I hope you guys realize Millsap had a defensive efficiency comparable to that of the one and only CARLOS BOOZER. He also rebounds pretty poorly as a starter compared to when he was coming off the bench.

I guess we could always go back to that Robin Lopez and garbage deal with the Suns...that's much better value....smh

babyjax13 · Post #11 » by **babyjax13** » Sat May 21, 2011 9:49 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I hope you guys realize Millsap had a defensive efficiency comparable to that of the one and only CARLOS BOOZER. He also rebounds pretty poorly as a starter compared to when he was coming off the bench.

I guess we could always go back to that Robin Lopez and garbage deal with the Suns...that's much better value....smh

What would we do with two more power forwards? Neither of which is nearly as good as what we have....

kamazilla · Post #12 » by **kamazilla** » Sat May 21, 2011 10:40 pm

^ ^ ^
Yep. No reason to let go of a very effective veteran on a bargain contract in order to downgrade.

Skin · Post #13 » by **Skin** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:34 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I hope you guys realize Millsap had a defensive efficiency comparable to that of the one and only CARLOS BOOZER. He also rebounds pretty poorly as a starter compared to when he was coming off the bench.

I guess we could always go back to that Robin Lopez and garbage deal with the Suns...that's much better value....smh

What would we do with two more power forwards? Neither of which is nearly as good as what we have....

Ryan Anderson is versatile enough to play SF or PF. So it's not like he's strictly a PF and you'll be stuck not being able to find playing time for him. From the PF position he gives you the ability to stretch the floor with his 3 point range. Memo is only a shell of what he used to be at a price tag you can't stand. Ryno is still under his rookie contract for 2 more years. There's one value aspect.

Bass is not Millsap, but neither is he a bad player with a bad contract. At $4M per year over the next 2 years, he's under a very affordable contract. Bass is a starter for the Magic. Being able to bring him off the bench is a luxury in the same light that Millsap is. Except he is an unselfish player who doesn't create waves. If the future is Favors, Bass won't get in the way. He sat quietly coming off the bench behind Rashard Lewis... He did the same in Dallas behind Dirk. Total team player who works hard and makes the most of his time on the court.

JJ Redick is like the prototype Jazz player. High character, intelligent, his hustle helps him max out his potential and he can shoot. He doesn't complain about coming off the bench and would be a great mentor for Hayward. Even if you don't like him... he's essentially an expiring contract because the last year of his deal is ungaraunteed. So you could shed his salary in a cap clearing move.

Top it off with a 2nd rounder this year... I don't see how it's a bad deal.

Oh yeah, and the Magic get stuck with Raja Bell and his ugly contract.

babyjax13 · Post #14 » by **babyjax13** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:59 pm

Skin wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I hope you guys realize Millsap had a defensive efficiency comparable to that of the one and only CARLOS BOOZER. He also rebounds pretty poorly as a starter compared to when he was coming off the bench.

I guess we could always go back to that Robin Lopez and garbage deal with the Suns...that's much better value....smh

What would we do with two more power forwards? Neither of which is nearly as good as what we have....

Ryan Anderson is versatile enough to play SF or PF. So it's not like he's strictly a PF and you'll be stuck not being able to find playing time for him. From the PF position he gives you the ability to stretch the floor with his 3 point range. Memo is only a shell of what he used to be at a price tag you can't stand. Ryno is still under his rookie contract for 2 more years. There's one value aspect.

Bass is not Millsap, but neither is he a bad player with a bad contract. At $4M per year over the next 2 years, he's under a very affordable contract. Bass is a starter for the Magic. Being able to bring him off the bench is a luxury in the same light that Millsap is. Except he is an unselfish player who doesn't create waves. If the future is Favors, Bass won't get in the way. He sat quietly coming off the bench behind Rashard Lewis... He did the same in Dallas behind Dirk. Total team player who works hard and makes the most of his time on the court.

JJ Redick is like the prototype Jazz player. High character, intelligent, his hustle helps him max out his potential and he can shoot. He doesn't complain about coming off the bench and would be a great mentor for Hayward. Even if you don't like him... he's essentially an expiring contract because the last year of his deal is ungaraunteed. So you could shed his salary in a cap clearing move.

Top it off with a 2nd rounder this year... I don't see how it's a bad deal.

Oh yeah, and the Magic get stuck with Raja Bell and his ugly contract.

Raja and his ugly contract? It's $3.2 million and expires in two years. And saying Anderson can play small forward is like saying Redick is a point guard, it's not happening. And Bass? Nice player, but Millsap can play small forward and Bass can't. No thanks, easy pass, Jazz aren't trading Millsap for that.

kamazilla · Post #15 » by **kamazilla** » Sun May 22, 2011 12:20 am

Bad deal because the Jazz would lose an impact player at a position of need in the NBA for three guys who are not. Its just watering down the rotation. Raja sucks, but he was brought here to play defense, so I don't see Redick being additional incentive for management to move Millsap.

J_Ray · Post #16 » by **J_Ray** » Sun May 22, 2011 12:21 am

That deal is pretty bad considering Redick makes as much as Millsap almost. A 2nd rounder to top off a deal doesn't make it any better in the NBA either, but it was a good laugh reading.

gonzo · Post #17 » by **gonzo** » Sun May 22, 2011 2:59 am

therawns12 · Post #18 » by **therawns12** » Sun May 22, 2011 3:30 am

I have personally thought about this a lot. I have a trade that helps both teams. The jazz will draft enes kanter and to open up room, they have to give someone up. Millsap might have the most value. The jazz give up millsap to cleveland for ramon sessions. The cavs have irving, and baron davis at PG, and at worst this gives the jazz a very good backup at PG, and might be better long term then harris. Clevelands perspective they get to bench hollins and put millsap at PF and Hickson at C. I think its a win-win both ways.

babyjax13 · Post #19 » by **babyjax13** » Sun May 22, 2011 4:33 am

therawns12 wrote:I have personally thought about this a lot. I have a trade that helps both teams. The jazz will draft enes kanter and to open up room, they have to give someone up. Millsap might have the most value. The jazz give up millsap to cleveland for ramon sessions. The cavs have irving, and baron davis at PG, and at worst this gives the jazz a very good backup at PG, and might be better long term then harris. Clevelands perspective they get to bench hollins and put millsap at PF and Hickson at C. I think its a win-win both ways.

The Jazz would need more value, but the premise isn't bad.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #20 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Sun May 22, 2011 7:35 am

You guys keep saying that Millsap is "an effective player" but what exactly is he so effective at? He is terrible on defense (whether you guys choose to accept it or not), an average rebounder and an inconsistent scoring option who struggles against length and athleticism.

Sure we all love the guy but he isn't as good or as important to this team as most of you think he is.

Again, if he can't accept a sixth man role coming off of the bench then he needs to be moved and it will be better sooner rather than later since his value will never be higher.