Who is our starting Center?

superd · Post #1 » by **superd** » Sun May 22, 2011 9:15 pm

I wonder which is best for the team, Jefferson or Favors. Jefferson is strong enough to push other centers off the block when on defense. Favors is quicker and likely helps more on defensive rebounding and blocking shots.

Jefferson is a better outside shooter. Favors would be too quick for some centers to stay with.

Your thoughts?

Colossal Ruvall · Post #2 » by **Colossal Ruvall** » Sun May 22, 2011 9:22 pm

I'd like to have a real center someday.

One that is actually in inside presence.
One that doesn't rely on three point shooting.
One that doesn't turn into a black hole when the going gets rough

Favors should stay at the PF position. Because he dank.

That's all.

Luigi · Post #3 » by **Luigi** » Sun May 22, 2011 9:37 pm

I hope we play Favors and Jefferson together, and switch matchups according to the team. They both have length, and make a dominant front court together.

carrottop12 · Post #4 » by **carrottop12** » Sun May 22, 2011 10:38 pm

nguyenbalong · Post #5 » by **nguyenbalong** » Sun May 22, 2011 11:07 pm

whats your deff of a center. Stiff tall albino with jello knees that cant jump who happens to be 7 ft. If so than the above is a winner.

Litany · Post #6 » by **Litany** » Sun May 22, 2011 11:31 pm

nguyenbalong wrote:whats your deff of a center. Stiff tall albino with jello knees that cant jump who happens to be 7 ft. If so than the above is a winner.

While I do have concerns about his knees(we all need more information on him) along with some other concerns he isn't a "stiff" and he can jump, I don't know what you mean. He is also not 7 ft, he is 6 11'.

His Wingspan is 7 1.5'

One other question I would like information on is the typical wingspan of great centers in the NBA. Most of the ones I know of all have longer wingspans. These are current ones. Any info on centers from 90s early 2000?

Bogut: 7 3'
Howard: 7 4.5'
Perkins: 7 4'
Bynum: 7 5'
Chandler: 7 3'

The one that I found that has about the same is Noah is 7 1.25' but Noah has an inch in height on him. Maybe it doesn't matter that Kanter's is smaller, because Noah clearly does well inside and has no problem pulling down the rebounds.

So maybe the winspan isn't something to worry about. Thoughts?

nguyenbalong · Post #7 » by **nguyenbalong** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:13 am

hes a stiff this is kosta kofos of 2011 draft. and his knees is a huge concer if your looking at someone whos gonna rebound and fight for the ball inside. and his standing reach is 9'1" average is 9 2. This guy can only defend with his feet planted and cannot defend above the rim. he may play physical and active but how far can a rookie go playing physical defense in todays nba. 5 fouls come pretty fast. best case scenerio young okur worst case kosta most likely greg oden. unless its irving/willams or knight we might as well trade down for the sixth and 18th from the wizards.

Ming Kong! · Post #8 » by **Ming Kong!** » Mon May 23, 2011 2:01 am

JazzD15 wrote:
nguyenbalong wrote:whats your deff of a center. Stiff tall albino with jello knees that cant jump who happens to be 7 ft. If so than the above is a winner.

While I do have concerns about his knees(we all need more information on him) along with some other concerns he isn't a "stiff" and he can jump, I don't know what you mean. He is also not 7 ft, he is 6 11'.

His Wingspan is 7 1.5'

One other question I would like information on is the typical wingspan of great centers in the NBA. Most of the ones I know of all have longer wingspans. These are current ones. Any info on centers from 90s early 2000?

Bogut: 7 3'
Howard: 7 4.5'
Perkins: 7 4'
Bynum: 7 5'
Chandler: 7 3'

The one that I found that has about the same is Noah is 7 1.25' but Noah has an inch in height on him. Maybe it doesn't matter that Kanter's is smaller, because Noah clearly does well inside and has no problem pulling down the rebounds.

So maybe the winspan isn't something to worry about. Thoughts?

Howard is the only great center in the NBA, Bogut is very good, borderline top 25 in the NBA, Bynum averaged 11/8 for the season, and the other guys are good at defense, and that's about it. Kanter is and inside/outside threat. I'm not sure about his defense, but from what they say about him, I think he could easily pass all these guys except Howard.

Hoops Addict · Post #9 » by **Hoops Addict** » Mon May 23, 2011 2:58 am

nguyenbalong wrote:whats your deff of a center. Stiff tall albino , that cant jump who happens to be 7 ft. .

Nguyen- He is not albino. He is a Turk.

Kanter can jump...look at the video of the workouts, he is very mobile, can jump.

Isn't a 7.15 ft. wingspan pretty good?

Memo can't play. Jefferson is our Center....that is why we were almost last in rebounding last year.

Soul Patch · Post #10 » by **Soul Patch** » Mon May 23, 2011 3:11 am

Tyrone Corbin will tell us who our starting center is right before we fire him.

Getjazz · Post #11 » by **Getjazz** » Mon May 23, 2011 3:43 am

Millsap and NO bench help is the reason we where the last in the league in rebounding!!!

nguyenbalong · Post #12 » by **nguyenbalong** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:12 am

He is a half step slower than memo. Yes 9 1 is not enough because his verticle leap isnt there thats why he is not an above the rim defender. Another fineness center who doesn't attack the basket relies on floaters hooks and fade away. this guy is short for an nba center which hurts him later on and hes too slow to guard an nba pf.

Hopefully everyone is so optimistic on his average athletics skill set and his stocks will rise helping him go 1 or two so we can have Williams. or trade down for the 6th and 18th and get knight or walker 12th get bisyamic bembo and 18th jimmer/Chris Singleton.

Neon Black · Post #13 » by **Neon Black** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:00 am

Nguyen what the hell? I've never been sold on Kanter but your incessant comparison to Koufos is a freaking joke. Come on. And then you also compare him to Memo...again, what the hell? Because they're both Turkish? Lol and who the hell is bisyamec bembo??? If you can't spell something there's this great thing called Gooogle....it's on the internet just like Realgm so you don't even have to get up. And BTW, Biyombo is going to be picked way before 12.

nguyenbalong · Post #14 » by **nguyenbalong** » Mon May 23, 2011 10:45 am

whats wrong with saying hes half a step slower than memo and that his game is fineness like kosta. and obviously you knew who I was talking about so if you dont have anything else to say except gramatic errors than im sorry wasnt aware we had the spelling police on the board BTW its google if you cant spell it than yahoo it cause you cant spell google. Weather or not he is available will be determined after all the work out. Projections on draft boards are the opinions of those sites and players fall and rise after their workouts. Biyombo has yet to work out for anyone so im assuming his stock will fall. As this is after all a freaken forum we have our opinions and my opinion is he will fall below 12th. Last years draft hayward was projected at 14 buy he went at 9th and luke babit was a sure thing at 10th but fell to 16th. If you want to correct everyone grammar than go to an English class.

Ming Kong! · Post #15 » by **Ming Kong!** » Mon May 23, 2011 11:50 am

Oops double post.

Ming Kong! · Post #16 » by **Ming Kong!** » Mon May 23, 2011 11:56 am

Hoops Addict wrote:
nguyenbalong wrote:whats your deff of a center. Stiff tall albino , that cant jump who happens to be 7 ft. .

Nguyen- He is not albino. He is a Turk.

Kanter can jump...look at the video of the workouts, he is very mobile, can jump.

Isn't a 7.15 ft. wingspan pretty good?

Memo can't play. Jefferson is our Center....that is why we were almost last in rebounding last year.

I simply don't get the logic behind blaming Jefferson for our rebounding problems. At 9.7rpg, Jefferson was actually 8th, and right behind David Lee who had 9.8rpg. He was 6th in the league in total rebounds. Only guys above him were Love, Howard, Griffin, Randolph, and Gasol. That's 4 PF's in that mix, and one center. So Howard was the 2nd best rebounding center in the NBA last season.

Paul Millsap ironically is more to blame. He only had 7.6rpg in 76 starts. Kirilenko at 5.1 with 62 starts doesn't help a whole lot either. Last but certainly not least Bell, 2.6rpg and he started 63 games for us. That's about 15rpg between your fowards and SG, too little if you ask me. Then at 3.9rpg in 37.9mpg, Williams at to the bloodshed. Between Millsap, AK, Bell, and Deron, you had 55.8% of your minutes (on average), and you only 19rpg. The rest of the Jazz averaged 20rpg in the remaining 44.2% of the minutes.

Millsap's numbers plummeted after his injury, and Bell as the starting SG was a disaster. I think our front court will average some 3+ rpg more this season and Hayward should improve the rebounding in the backcourt by about 2rpg. If we averaged just 5rpg more, we would of been the best rebounding team in the league. We have the size to do it now.

HolyToledo · Post #17 » by **HolyToledo** » Mon May 23, 2011 4:34 pm

Big Al Jefferson makes how much money? Ok he starts at center.

Jazzfan12 · Post #18 » by **Jazzfan12** » Mon May 23, 2011 4:45 pm

Jefferson grabs rebounds, but allows a ridiculous amount of offensive rebounds. Troy Murphy averaged a ton of rebounds and was a terrible rebounder.

phrizzo · Post #19 » by **phrizzo** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:21 pm

if we're doing this, kanter is a pf
but it doesn't really matter
bigs are bigs, position depends on the team/system/matchup

spoonhoops · Post #20 » by **spoonhoops** » Tue May 24, 2011 12:07 am

I see Kanter as a 4 as well, but I would like to see what Kanter and Favors could do together. They can guard whoever based on the matchup.