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1. Because he caused a Hall of Fame Coach and his Assitant Coach to quit.
2. Because he tirelessly hounded a rookie (Hayward) that turned out to be pretty good.
3. Because he was always trying to get rid of a player (Kirilenko) who had a role on the team, and strong standing in the community.
4. Because he over played his hand with his subtle threats that he would not re-sign with the Jazz, and those threats were increasing in frequency.
5. Because it was better to get something in return instead of nothing.
6. Becasue players should never be permitted to be mini-dictators, even when your first name is Kobe, LeBron, or Dwight.

The Jazz did the right thing, and got decent value in return. If Deron resolves these problems and shows greater maturity, then I would welcome him back with open arms.

because he was leaving and we got alot!!!

There was a pretty overwhelming feeling from within the organization that when his contract up he was gone.

Greg Miller was on with Locke last week and Greg said something very interesting.

They were revisiting the trade, and more importantly they revisited when Deron signed the contract and Greg Miller said he was sitting with Jerry and KOC when Kevin was telling Jerry the specifics of the contract and the conversation went something like this. Let me remind you, this is from day one of the contract.

KOC: Deron signed for four years, one less then the max.
Sloan: He just gave us the date for when he's leaving the team.

There was that much of a resounding feeling coming from Deron that he was only signing that contract because he wanted to lock up the money, not because he wanted to be here. He left 19 million dollars off the end of that contract just so it would be shorter. 19 million dollars, that is an insane amount of money, especially for a guy who had only had the rookie contract before that.

I don't think the Jazz had any doubt that he was gone after next season.

Because he believed he was too big for Utah and the club needed a return on its investment.

Oh, and I think Favors will be better.

Didn't you notice the steady recension of his hairline from the moment he stepped foot in Utah? It was getting embarrassing... and that blowout with Sloan? Clearly the headband issue coming to a head.

I would be so happy if he somehow re-signed with the Jazz.

0% chance of happening, but it would be a pretty hilarious heist against New Jersey.

OP: Because he had value.

I have a feeling that this trade will go down as one of the shrewdest trades in sports history. For years people will reference what KOC and the Utah Jazz did here and what they got out of this trade and how much it benefited them, and they will use it as a template for how to manage the trade of a superstar.

The Jazz didn't want to be held hostage just to see Deron leave, a la Melo. They got a lot of value out of him, especially considering they got the 2010 3rd and 2011 3rd (or whatever they trade for) out of him. Great move. I do miss Deron though, guy was an absolute beast, and will probably be very strong once his wrist is back to normal.

finnegan wrote:1. Because he caused a Hall of Fame Coach and his Assitant Coach to quit.
2. Because he tirelessly hounded a rookie (Hayward) that turned out to be pretty good.
3. Because he was always trying to get rid of a player (Kirilenko) who had a role on the team, and strong standing in the community.
4. Because he over played his hand with his subtle threats that he would not re-sign with the Jazz, and those threats were increasing in frequency.
5. Because it was better to get something in return instead of nothing.
6. Becasue players should never be permitted to be mini-dictators, even when your first name is Kobe, LeBron, or Dwight.

The Jazz did the right thing, and got decent value in return. If Deron resolves these problems and shows greater maturity, then I would welcome him back with open arms.

I don't believe you can substantiate any of these points except number 5. Anyways, Miller/KOC had legitimate concern regarding Williams position as Utah's star point guard. They chose to act and in hindsight seem to have received decent talent in return. Thats it.

finnegan wrote:1. Because he caused a Hall of Fame Coach and his Assitant Coach to quit.
2. Because he tirelessly hounded a rookie (Hayward) that turned out to be pretty good.
3. Because he was always trying to get rid of a player (Kirilenko) who had a role on the team, and strong standing in the community.
4. Because he over played his hand with his subtle threats that he would not re-sign with the Jazz, and those threats were increasing in frequency.
5. Because it was better to get something in return instead of nothing.
6. Becasue players should never be permitted to be mini-dictators, even when your first name is Kobe, LeBron, or Dwight.

The Jazz did the right thing, and got decent value in return. If Deron resolves these problems and shows greater maturity, then I would welcome him back with open arms.

This talk about Deron pushing Sloan out is baseless and offensive to the memory of Sloan. Does anyone really think Sloan was such a punk b**ch that he would let a kid run him out after two decades? Does anyone really think the Jazz would've chose Deron over Sloan just to trade him 7 DAYS LATER? Deron probably presented Sloan with a strong argument, and Sloan realized that his time may have come. Go back and watch a lot of the post game interviews. The guy wasn't himself anymore. Would often get lost in thought, repeat himself, etc. Mid-season was poor timing, but it was Sloan that pushed Sloan out. Bottom Line. Much love J.S.

Don't forget about the strong possibility of a lockout-shortened season. In the end I think they felt like the risk of failing to sign him to an extension and losing him for nothing outweighed the risk of blowing the team up and rebuilding.

It's really hard to say if they were right. I always thought Deron was one to keep his cards close to his vest and I'm a bit disappointed they didn't try harder to salvage to situation and see what the Deron/Corbin combo could do.

I guess they see stuff behind the scenes that we don't see, but I wasn't exactly encouraged by Greg Miller's recent spate of radio interviews where he again stated that he had a "gut feeling" Deron was not going to re-sign. He then reference a comment Jerry made when Deron signed his max extension. How long ago was that? Did anyone thing to check in with Deron recently?

My suspicion is that the Jazz reacted out of fear and doubt and also saw an opportunity to avoid the tricky situation of convincing the Sloan zealots that Deron didn't run Jerry out of town. The whole thing kinda stinks of mismanagement to me. Larry Miller and co. successfully managed Karl Malone for what, 17 years? And Karl was a much more difficult personality; one who threatened on numerous occasions to leave the team (but never did).

I'm a fan so I hope it works out, but there's a part of me that will always wonder if they did the right thing.

Agree, HP. It's obvious that Miller has been covering his ass of late.

Regardless, I feel it was a gutsy move for a franchise like the Jazz. Instead of letting the fallout of Sloan's exit affect Williams (as he entered a season where he could potentially fill the role of either Melo or Lebron) they dictated the terms of his departure and maximized his trade value. I wonder also if Deron's wrist injury situation had the potential to be more volatile in post-Sloan Utah than it was in already sunk NJ. Any questioning of his dedication by media or others could have further affected his decision next off season. The Jazz, right or wrong about Deron's desire to stay, avoided multiple issues with a quality trade that is already proving to be more valuable than anticipated.

finnegan wrote:1. Because he caused a Hall of Fame Coach and his Assitant Coach to quit.
2. Because he tirelessly hounded a rookie (Hayward) that turned out to be pretty good.
3. Because he was always trying to get rid of a player (Kirilenko) who had a role on the team, and strong standing in the community.
4. Because he over played his hand with his subtle threats that he would not re-sign with the Jazz, and those threats were increasing in frequency.
5. Because it was better to get something in return instead of nothing.
6. Becasue players should never be permitted to be mini-dictators, even when your first name is Kobe, LeBron, or Dwight.

The Jazz did the right thing, and got decent value in return. If Deron resolves these problems and shows greater maturity, then I would welcome him back with open arms.

The first 3 are why we shouldve kept him. Sloans great but he shouldve been gone years ago. Hayward still stinks and should be traded for anything of value with the quicknesses. Kirilenko should be gone also, he never lived up to his high contract and is now an old often injured tweener. Shouldn't be to hard to find someone to replace him.

Williams had every right to dictate a little because this team hasn't been making great decisions lately.

HappyProle wrote:Don't forget about the strong possibility of a lockout-shortened season. In the end I think they felt like the risk of failing to sign him to an extension and losing him for nothing outweighed the risk of blowing the team up and rebuilding.

It's really hard to say if they were right. I always thought Deron was one to keep his cards close to his vest and I'm a bit disappointed they didn't try harder to salvage to situation and see what the Deron/Corbin combo could do.

I guess they see stuff behind the scenes that we don't see, but I wasn't exactly encouraged by Greg Miller's recent spate of radio interviews where he again stated that he had a "gut feeling" Deron was not going to re-sign. He then reference a comment Jerry made when Deron signed his max extension. How long ago was that? Did anyone thing to check in with Deron recently?

My suspicion is that the Jazz reacted out of fear and doubt and also saw an opportunity to avoid the tricky situation of convincing the Sloan zealots that Deron didn't run Jerry out of town. The whole thing kinda stinks of mismanagement to me. Larry Miller and co. successfully managed Karl Malone for what, 17 years? And Karl was a much more difficult personality; one who threatened on numerous occasions to leave the team (but never did).
I'm a fan so I hope it works out, but there's a part of me that will always wonder if they did the right thing.

Ummm...

finnegan wrote:6. Becasue players should never be permitted to be mini-dictators, even when your first name is Kobe, LeBron, or Dwight.

that and for most that

reapaman wrote: Hayward still stinks and should be traded for anything of value with the quicknesses.

man when you stop watching Jazz games, in february

I spit on all of you that blame Deron for Sloan quitting. Sloan and Deron both become upset at the organization for the same reasons....they let the same players walk away who ended up making the Eastern Conference Finals and replaced them with bums like Raja Bell.

The organization is to blame for where it is right now...not Deron Williams. When Larry Miller got sick, the organization started making piss-poor personnel decisions. When he died, so died the shrewd decision-making of our organization.

The fact we didnt come to Mathews with a contract offer before Portland got involved was exhibit A. I believe we could have locked him up for 4 years for something reasonable. Dude LOVED IT HERE.

So go ahead and blame Deron if it makes all of you feel better. But Deron didnt let Matthews and Korver walk, give Memo 2 years and $20 million, keep AK around for 7 years on a max contract he didnt earn for even one season, or trade Maynor away to erase the financial impact of previous bad decisions.

Im starting to wonder if Kevin O'Connor was promised a Government Bailout with the way he has run this team. He certainly runs it the way the boys in Washington run their show....

reapaman wrote:Sloans great but he shouldve been gone years ago. Hayward still stinks and should be traded for anything of value with the quicknesses. Kirilenko should be gone also, he never lived up to his high contract and is now an old often injured tweener.

Deron??? Is that you? Because only 1% of the world believes that Hayward is awful, and that Kirilenko has no role on the team.

reapaman wrote:Williams had every right to dictate a little because this team hasn't been making great decisions lately.

Apparently the guy who pays the bills disagreed with you on that on.