Paul Millsap Thoughts

BornREADY6 · Post #1 » by **BornREADY6** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:40 pm

Hello Jazz nation I am a indiana pacer fan wanting your thoughts on Paul Millsap. The pacers need an athletic rebounding PF and Millsap has been brought up a bunch. I want to know what Jazz fans think of him. It seems that you guys have a logjam at the pf position and maybe he could become available via trade.

edfmx86 · Post #2 » by **edfmx86** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:17 am

Utah belongs to Paul Millsap.

Jazzy13 · Post #3 » by **Jazzy13** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:17 am

Its been beaten to death already.
Neither side is willing to give up what is needed to make it happen.

carrottop12 · Post #4 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:22 am

I heard ion the radio today that the deal being discussed was Millsap and the GSW pick for Granger.

I'd do it.

retiredcoach · Post #5 » by **retiredcoach** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:32 am

Milllsap is the kind of player a team should never trade. With his grit, durability and skill set, I would find a way to use him effectively---and his salary is a bargain.

Matthews was the same way in my view.

I also think you've got a Granger type player in Hayward. Hayward can play the SG spot. Hayward is a lights out better 3pt shooter than Granger and he'll have a higher over all field goal percentage. All he needs is more shots per game and he'll be a Granger. Why trade for a Granger?

CJ, Bell, and Memo no problem. Memo is looking good for the amnesty provision.

d-will8 · Post #6 » by **d-will8** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:37 am

If Granger's available, I'd be very interested. I'm not sure I'd give up the GSW pick, but I'd definitely consider it. I've always liked Granger and he could be a very good fit (we sure could use his shooting ability, for one thing). Otherwise, I'm not sure they could put together a package I'd trade Millsap for (I'm assuming they're not trading George). Hibbert's intriguing, but I'm not sure they'd be willing to create a gaping hole in the middle by trading him. Rush could be a decent role player for us (something along the lines of what Raja was supposed to be), but he is in no way, shape or form worth giving up Millsap for.

Post #7 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:06 am

First of all, Granger makes way, way too much to trade for Millsap straight up. Granger is set to make $12, $13 and $14 million over the next three years. The Jazz simply can't afford to take on that salary, and they certainly wouldn't throw in a top-10 pick to do so.

I would consider doing Granger for Jefferson, but that would mean sacrificing some cap space that could be VERY valuable in 2013/14 when all of the luxury tax penalties really kick in.

BornREADY6 · Post #8 » by **BornREADY6** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:09 am

Contract issues a side. how bout collison and our 1st for millsap?

Post #9 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:12 am

BornREADY6 wrote:Contract issues a side. how bout collison and our 1st for millsap?

I think that's the type of deal that's worth discussing. Personally I'd rather keep Millsap and deal Jefferson, but many Jazz fans are the opposite.

carrottop12 · Post #10 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:13 am

HappyProle wrote:First of all, Granger makes way, way too much to trade for Millsap straight up. Granger is set to make $12, $13 and $14 million over the next three years. The Jazz simply can't afford to take on that salary, and they certainly wouldn't throw in a top-10 pick to do so.

I would consider doing Granger for Jefferson, but that would mean sacrificing some cap space that could be VERY valuable in 2013/14 when all of the luxury tax penalties really kick in.

Under the new CBA, the salaries ought to work straight up. But the jazz can try to be greedy and throw in Raja if possible.

I think people forget how good Granger is, and we'd have a far superior team going forward looking like this.

Harris/Watson
Hayward/Burks
Granger/Miles
Favors/Okur/Evans
Jefferson/Kanter

That is a potential playoff team, and if Hayward and Favors progress as we expect, we could be really good.

Post #11 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:17 am

Bat wrote:Under the new CBA, the salaries ought to work straight up. But the jazz can try to be greedy and throw in Raja if possible.

Wouldn't that put the Jazz dangerously close to the luxury tax threshold again?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm kinda tired of having a team with a luxury tax payroll whose best case scenario is to lose in the second round of the playoffs. Granger's a nice player, but I don't think he's worth his near-max contract any more than Al Jefferson is.

HolyToledo · Post #12 » by **HolyToledo** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:23 am

Bat wrote:I heard ion the radio today that the deal being discussed was Millsap and the GSW pick for Granger.

I'd do it.

The Jazz would be givign up alot but Granger is versitile able to play 2/3 and give the Jazz a number 1 option...I dont see why the Pacers would do it unless they are rebuilding

carrottop12 · Post #13 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:30 am

The thing is, most people are hoping Millsap can play the 3 this year, why not move him for one of the top 5 SF's in the league.

It's a thought. And with the amnesty, the Jazz will be able to address salary issues going forward a lot easier than they would have otherwise.

Also, we are already going to be seeing how the BRI and revenue sharing going forward is going to help the Jazz. It is going to be much easier to be in the lux tax area going forward knowing our chances of making the money back is much more likely.

Pacerlive · Post #14 » by **Pacerlive** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:33 am

HolyToledo wrote:
Bat wrote:I heard ion the radio today that the deal being discussed was Millsap and the GSW pick for Granger.

I'd do it.

The Jazz would be givign up alot but Granger is versitile able to play 2/3 and give the Jazz a number 1 option...I dont see why the Pacers would do it unless they are rebuilding

They wouldn't do that deal thats why..

The best I could see Indy doing is giving up Collison and the 2012 first which is a good deal IMO. Hollinger is reporting that Milsap is available whatever that means.

IF you use the amnesty on Okur you could sign a good sg and have a solid team.

Post #15 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:39 am

Thete arent really ant FAs out there.

Pacerlive · Post #16 » by **Pacerlive** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:46 am

DelaneyRudd wrote:Thete arent really ant FAs out there.

That depends. Certainly there are better options than Raja Bell....

Maybe Jason Richardson or Jamal Crawford. I am not sure they would sign there but it opens up some options that aren't there right now. Couple that with a 2012 additional pick and thats atleast accelarates the rebuilding process.

Post #17 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:50 am

Too many other teams will overpay for guys in a weak and accelerated market I think.

carrottop12 · Post #18 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:57 am

David Locke was saying today that he knows for certain that the Millsap/Granger deal was discussed last year, and potentially as recently as the draft.

With the new CBA, you might have more teams looking to shed salary now in fear of future lux tax penalties.

I don't think this is the last time we'll hear about this deal.

Pacerlive · Post #19 » by **Pacerlive** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:58 am

DelaneyRudd wrote:Too many other teams will overpay for guys in a weak and accelerated market I think.

Well then you wait till next year. Personally I think the Jazz have some big decisions to make. I know you guys know this but after 2/3 years only the rookie remain which is 3/4 guys. Thats nuts.

Milsap is a quality guy I just don't know what teams would offer a big price tag for him. Maybe the Nets but do they have anything worth while anymore. Not too many teams need pf help like the Pacers and would be willing to take on salary and give a starting pg and a future first for MIlsap.

Pacerlive · Post #20 » by **Pacerlive** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:01 am

Bat wrote:David Locke was saying today that he knows for certain that the Millsap/Granger deal was discussed last year, and potentially as recently as the draft.

With the new CBA, you might have more teams looking to shed salary now in fear of future lux tax penalties.

I don't think this is the last time we'll hear about this deal.

What was the deal. Sorry I don't live in Utah. It couldn't have been straight up and I would expect more than just Mislap in return for Granger mainly because I think Bird would.