We have the deepest Jazz team ever? (without any superstar)

Post #1 » by **FJS** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:06 pm

I look at the roster and I see:

CENTER
OKUR
He is 32 and in the downhill of his carreer. Still, seems like he is healthy, so if he can play has his shot there. He is one of the best shooters in C or PF ever in the league. He showed in the past he can defend if he is focused in it. He did pretty well vs Yao and Tim Duncan in the past.
His all star days are gone, but he is (if healthy) a very useful player in this league.

JEFFERSON
In the post all star, last year he was a 21.5 ppg, 11 rpg with 51.8 FG% from the floor. He is a great scorer, and he can rebound.
We know he is not a great deffense, but if Favors grow and the deffense is change as we expected he can be at least not a liability. I mean, Boozer seems at least not bad with Noah. In the offense, there's not a lot of guys who can score near the basket as Al can do.

KANTER
He has the tools to be a very good player. We have to wait and have patience on him, but he can be a mix of Okur and Jefferson, with better deffense.

POWER FOWARD
FAVORS
He has the size and the body to be a really great player in this league. A lot of people compare him to Howard. I don't know if he will become a Howard, but I think he has more skills with the ball than him. In the other hand, I don't spect him to have Dwight's body and be as good in deffense as him.

MILLSAP
Paul is the 6th man everybody want in his team. He can score, rebound and leave his soul in every game. We know he and Al doens't work pretty well. Still, he should play big minutes and have his great impact.

JEREMY EVANS
I think this guy has some potential. Too bad we are stacked in PF position because all our centers can play some PF. Maybe he can help from SF. This guy can help from the bench. Maybe he won't see a lot of minutes and it's a shame, because I think he can play.

SMALL FOWARD and SHOOTING GUARD
JOSH HOWARD
Before the injury he was one of the best SF of the west. We know he had some problems in the past, and he is injury prone. But I have a good feeling about him. If KOC convinced him, and he convinced KOC says a lot. Josh it's interested in play here. He could chose another teams. So he believes this team can help him, so i think he will be focused.
In the past he was able to score 20 ppg near to dirk.

HAYWARD
Last year he showed improvement in the last months, and he only can get better. He has a better body, and know people believe in him. People love him and he has the chance to become the franchise player. He can score, pass, rebound...

CJ MILES
He has been better every year. He is only 24, and he has made some improvement every year. He had to improve his shot selection, but last year was able to score almost 16 ppg as starter. Seems like he has improved his body.

RAJA BELL
I don't beliebe much in him. Still some people are saying he seems in better shape than last year. If he is able to shoot from 3, and defend and be a leader in the locker room, he will be doing well.

ALEC BURKS
Honestly, I've not seen him play. Everybody are talking about him like he is pretty good and have a lot of potential.

POINT GUARD
DEVIN HARRIS
Ok, he is not Deron Williams, but he is better than nowadays Kidd or Fisher, pg of title teams in the last years. He can score, he can pass and he is not a bad deffender.

WATSON
Everybody love him, due to his ability to defend. He is a glue guy.

TINSLEY
Being a 3rd point guard, he can play the point better than a lot of guy Jazz had recently (palacio, Mcleod, Price, Rusty LaRue, John Crotty)

I know, we have a pretty good team in other seasons:
Deron, Brewer, AK, Boozer, Okur with Korver, Miles, Fisher, Millsap was better... but we haven't any other Center, and CJ and Paul were pretty young and Derek only lasted one year.
In Malone-Stockton era we had weak benches.

I know there's only talking on potential, but in the frontcourt we are loaded, and we have pretty decent guys in SF and SG.
In the point guard we have 3 good pg. Before we have one superstar PG and one scrub.

What do you think?
We are loaded or not?

Post #2 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:20 pm

Really this team is very deep at PF and PG and that's about it. At PF you've got Jefferson, Favors, Millsap.

The only "true" center is Okur, and he's not even a prototypical C. Kanter is way too unproven to include on the depth chart at this point. We don't even know what his NBA position will be.

The fact that you lumped SG and SF together shows how many question marks the Jazz have at those two spots.

There's a lot of potential depth, but that's not the same thing as actual, proven depth.

Post #3 » by **FJS** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:44 pm

HappyProle wrote:Really this team is very deep at PF and PG and that's about it. At PF you've got Jefferson, Favors, Millsap.

The only "true" center is Okur, and he's not even a prototypical C. Kanter is way too unproven to include on the depth chart at this point. We don't even know what his NBA position will be.

The fact that you lumped SG and SF together shows how many question marks the Jazz have at those two spots.

There's a lot of potential depth, but that's not the same thing as actual, proven depth.

The thing is Howard, Hayward, Miles and Bell can play SF or SG...
Maybe I'm pretty optimistic

J_Ray · Post #4 » by **J_Ray** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:54 pm

Feels like the Rockets teams over post Yao, good depth with talent but no star to put them into relevancy.

Post #5 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:23 pm

That's 14 players. I wonder who will be the 2 in the suit. I also wonder if a 15th player will be retained because of the condensed season. if they do sounds like Gilder has the inside track.

outerspacefella · Post #6 » by **outerspacefella** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:02 am

If by deep you mean to have 2 or 3 players with NBA ability to play at any position, then the Jazz are deep. However, the Jazz won't be playing postseason... unless all of a sudden the Dallas times' Howard reincarnates in the Jazz Howard AND Favors become a friggin' beast.
Of course, none of this things will happen.
That said, it will certainly be an interesting season to enjoy the unfold of this team.

Post #7 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:19 am

The Jazz do need 2 players to go allstar level, though Favors and Howard aren't the only 2 possibilities.

Getjazz · Post #8 » by **Getjazz** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:55 am

I think this yr depends alot on Corbins starting line up. If Hayward and Favors don't start then it's a failed season for me. I could care less about the playoffs for now, however if they are starting all of the vets and still don't make it to the playoffs then its a waisted season in my book. This is the best, most talented group of young guys that have every been on the Jazz. SO PLAY THEM!!!

WEB IV · Post #9 » by **WEB IV** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:05 am

outerspacefella wrote:If by deep you mean to have 2 or 3 players with NBA ability to play at any position, then the Jazz are deep. However, the Jazz won't be playing postseason... unless all of a sudden the Dallas times' Howard reincarnates in the Jazz Howard AND Favors become a friggin' beast.
Of course, none of this things will happen.
That said, it will certainly be an interesting season to enjoy the unfold of this team.

Jazz can definitely make the playoffs with all the talent they have....

Post #10 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:16 am

I won't say definite, but it's the goal and playing the best players to achieve this goal is the right plan.

HolyToledo · Post #11 » by **HolyToledo** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:45 am

The reason to have such a deep team is to eventually trade away 2-3 players for that key superstar that you need to win an NBA championship. The GSW and Clippers had plenty of good players but didnt have the key superstar to put them over the top. Unless Favors becomes that superstar, if Im KOC im lookin for a trade at the deadline or next summer for that kjey trade.

Dozer! · Post #12 » by **Dozer!** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:22 pm

Well, there are only about a dozen true superstars in the league and they all are trying to team up on the big market teams. This is probably how well run small markets team will stay competitive now.

cjs55 · Post #13 » by **cjs55** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:34 am

The Jazz are incredibly deep, especially in the frontcourt. Playing this team on NBA2k12 is frustrating because there just aren't enough minutes to go around. I want to play Kanter and Okur more than 8 minutes a game, but I've gotta play Favors, Milsap and Jefferson the lion's share of the minutes. Dammit Jazz!