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We suck. Bad.


And that's a very, very good thing. One of the things that happens with rebuilding teams is that they get good too fast. Happened with Carmelo's Nuggets. Happened with the Joe Johnson/Josh Smith/Al Horford Hawks. Happened with our own Jazz team of D-Will/Boozer/AK/Memo.

Just imagine if we had not gained traction so fast in Deron's 2nd year and finished with 40 wins. If instead we win 30, we're looking at a backcourt of Brandon Roy and Deron Williams. Or at least Rudy Gay.

That's a team that can get over the 2nd round hump and be a serious threat to win the West.

Instead we improved and had no way to plug our holes at the rim-protecting and wing positions.

Being a terrible team this year will give us a shot at Davis or Barnes, and will insure that--if we don't win the bounce of the ping pong balls--we will for sure get a shot at Bradley Beal and Michael Gilchrist.

We have a good core of young players. Hayward and Favors have already shown enough to guarantee that they will at least be solid NBA players. Kanter has shown enough to have confidence that he won't be a bust, and flashes abilities that suggest star potential down the road. Burks is more up in the air, but early signs are positive as well.

Now add another dynamic talent into that mix and you have begin to see a base of talent that can actually bring a championship to this city.

Think long term, not short term.

Yes, concerns over Corbin's coaching ability and the leadership of this team are real. But this organization has demonstrated in the past that it knows how to cultivate that better than most. Be patient and let this thing play out. We're not going to be good this year. Have fun and enjoy. I guaranty we won't have to sit through another elimination at the hands of the Lakers this summer.

If it's an amazing thing in NBA it's a lot of fans expect year after year his team improve. They know his team is going to suck a few years...
As an european I have a long time to admit that. I'm fan of FC Barcelona in soccer and basketball, and they can win or not, but at least they are strong every year.
As a Jazz fan, my team was strong since I was a child until 01. Then a couple of playoffs admiting Stockton to Malone days were finishing. 1 mediocre year, 1 bad year, another mediocre but promising year and.... another time great team for a few years.
Then the disaster of last year.... and this year don't look any better.
I'm 32, but i'm tired to expect a few months from april to november (this year almost january) to see my team suck, then wait until april... and another 6 months until I hope something to change....
Still... I'm not quiting... I'm a jazz fan for so many years to quit now.

Brad Beal on ESPN 2 at 5:00 PM as well if anyone's interested. Weak opponent, but still.

it is difficult to accept losing no matter what. that is why the worst teams get to pick the best players coming in. cuz losing sucks. nobody likes losing. picking better next year is not very good consolation for sucking. but it is the best the league can do.

it is very hard to sit back and watch your team lose game after game. it is even harder to watch your team you've invested so much time and energy into (if only watching games, cheering for, and reading articles) lose because they aren't trying.

players, and even the organization to an extent, don't quite understand that fans view their teams as almost an extension of their own body an/or family.

saying "it's okay, we'll get a better pick and be better in the long run" is like saying "don't worry about that deep cut in your thigh your bleeding profusely through. you'll get a nice neat scar and think of how tough and leathery your new skin will be in the future!"

I always want to win. I can deal with losing, but not when it's because of complete incompetence and lack of effort.

The glass if half full.

I didnt even think I would get to see any bball this year.

You are either contending or rebuilding. We aint contending.

FJS wrote:As an european I have a long time to admit that. I'm fan of FC Barcelona in soccer and basketball, and they can win or not, but at least they are strong every year.

Implement a salary cap system and a draft and even Barça and Real won't contend every single season. And unless you're some sort of fanatic, it must be tough as hell to be a fan of a Spanish soccer team not called Real, Barcelona, or Valencia. Thank God that is not how the NBA works.

Heck, even the Lakers and the Celtics don't contend every season and have to rebuild every now and then.

The thing I find hard to accept with this Jazz team is that they look a LOT better on paper than in reality. We were expected to be bad, but we're underachieving to start the season, and in a shocking way. Remember the thread where somebody said this could be our deepest team ever? I'm not sure I disagree with that!

Like everybody else, I want this team to find a long-term winning path, but unlike some, I want to see this team do justice to its players' reputation NOW. Call me short-sighted, but I don't want this team to suck this bad just to have a great draft pick.

Harris, Jefferson, I'm pretty sure you can do better, and I'm still waiting patiently.

I'm with you on not being excited about losing just to get a good draft pick. I always want to win. I accept that that's not always possible, but it's always what I'm hoping for. As a fan, I'd much rather see us in the playoffs as an 8 seed than finish in the bottom five.

I'm happy with every loss as long as the young guys play well. I'm In this for the long haul, and know that every loss will make us that much better over the next 5-10 years. Being consistently "too good" has been the jazz' curse ever since Stockton and Malone stopped contending. There's plenty of other teams to root for while we wait to land our superstar. If we finish with a bottom 5 record, I'll love every second of it. Have some patience people!

We must keep positives. We say two years and now we know. My problem player is Jefferson. He is slow ox player and always keep, even when triple team. We must thrwo him and always raja from team right away. Harris I like, but not for Corbin. Corbin is worst coach I see. Its sad, yes. We never see this from jazz, but we can endure and rise from smolder in two years and destroy everybody!

You say we need positives and then turn around and scapegoat specific players. Finally ending on the rosy outlook that 2 years from now the Jazz will "rise from smolder". If the team sucks for the next 2 years why would Corbin and O'Connor still have jobs? Would the Jazz still be able to sell sponsorships and tickets? The NBA is all about win now. Unless you are in New York, LA, Chicago, or Miami losing teams don't sell tickets.

I think the Utah fans will react in one of two ways, and it will depend on what they see happening with the team.
If they/we see a hard working bunch of youngsters that have good attitude/chemistry, good coaching and support from the top the tickets and everything else will be fine.

If its a bunch of Drama and bickering, piss poor coaching and questionable ownership, well then the future is bleak.

This season is going to be hard to watch, All I'm asking for at this point is to see them compete hard and improve. Then we need to see what the front office does in the off season.
They have the assets and picks to really make a great team.

I think this season and the coming off season could very well be a make or break time for the Utah Jazz. It really could be the start of something awesome, or the beginning of the end.
It really is going to be fun or heartbreaking to watch it play out.

DeadlyTreeStump wrote:

FJS wrote:As an european I have a long time to admit that. I'm fan of FC Barcelona in soccer and basketball, and they can win or not, but at least they are strong every year.

Implement a salary cap system and a draft and even Barça and Real won't contend every single season. And unless you're some sort of fanatic, it must be tough as hell to be a fan of a Spanish soccer team not called Real, Barcelona, or Valencia. Thank God that is not how the NBA works.

Yeah, you beat me to it. Barça is what the Lakers would be without a salary cap.

idajazz wrote:All I'm asking for at this point is to see them compete hard and improve. Then we need to see what the front office does in the off season.

This is exactly where I am at as well, although I am a little more optimistic than all the chicken littles.

This team is in a complete flux right now. I think it will be really interesting to see what coalesces and what sort of identity emerges from all these unknown pieces of talent.

The main thing I'm worried about is leadership. Is there one alpha in this group? I don't see one.

I don't see one either. No one on the team has a dominant personality. Millsap can "lead by example" but that only goes so far.

That comes with great ability. No one thought that Dwight had the alpha dog personality until he started to dominate. NO one thought Amare had it. Or Duncan. If a superstar emerges from the group, then the alpha dog thing will develop in him--most likely. Obviously there are times when this doesn't happen.

I can see a lot of that in Alec Burks. If he develops the game, he will have some of the most swag in the league. Kanter as well. Favors is soft spoken, but when he starts wrecking guys, we'll see what happens. I think Gordon has a lot of leadership abilities, though they are different than what you normally see.

I don't worry about any of that. We just need to develop player's abilities to play the game, and that should take care of itself.

Fido wrote:You say we need positives and then turn around and scapegoat specific players. Finally ending on the rosy outlook that 2 years from now the Jazz will "rise from smolder". If the team sucks for the next 2 years why would Corbin and O'Connor still have jobs? Would the Jazz still be able to sell sponsorships and tickets? The NBA is all about win now. Unless you are in New York, LA, Chicago, or Miami losing teams don't sell tickets.

I see....you think team should win always? Never have bad seasons? I like your planet you live where it is good always and never a terror.

Maneesh wrote:

Fido wrote:You say we need positives and then turn around and scapegoat specific players. Finally ending on the rosy outlook that 2 years from now the Jazz will "rise from smolder". If the team sucks for the next 2 years why would Corbin and O'Connor still have jobs? Would the Jazz still be able to sell sponsorships and tickets? The NBA is all about win now. Unless you are in New York, LA, Chicago, or Miami losing teams don't sell tickets.

I see....you think team should win always? Never have bad seasons? I like your planet you live where it is good always and never a terror.

I think that teams will have down years whether they want them or not. There is nothing that says teams who accept losing as a natural cycle end up competing again as part of that cycle. How many lottery teams have been lottery teams for years and years? I really don't mind the outcome when teams are competitive. But when they field non-competitive teams (like the Jazz have to start this year) there is nothing to be glad about.

Fido wrote:

Maneesh wrote:

Fido wrote:You say we need positives and then turn around and scapegoat specific players. Finally ending on the rosy outlook that 2 years from now the Jazz will "rise from smolder". If the team sucks for the next 2 years why would Corbin and O'Connor still have jobs? Would the Jazz still be able to sell sponsorships and tickets? The NBA is all about win now. Unless you are in New York, LA, Chicago, or Miami losing teams don't sell tickets.

I see....you think team should win always? Never have bad seasons? I like your planet you live where it is good always and never a terror.

I think that teams will have down years whether they want them or not. There is nothing that says teams who accept losing as a natural cycle end up competing again as part of that cycle. How many lottery teams have been lottery teams for years and years? I really don't mind the outcome when teams are competitive. But when they field non-competitive teams (like the Jazz have to start this year) there is nothing to be glad about.

Wrong.

It is a known fact that the OKC coach was told he had to play Durant and Westbrook even if it meant less wins. They had a few 20 win seasons. I'd say after getting to the wcf last year they are back to winning.

erudite23 wrote:That comes with great ability.

I can agree with that. Maturity will probably come into play as well. I forget how young these guys are.