Start Earl, Bench/trade Harris?

[Phenom415]

This may have been unthinkable at the end of last season, but would we be better off having Earl start and playing Harris against the opposition's second unit? Perhaps against lesser point-men, Harris could get something going and rebuild some confidence, and with Earl playing with the starters, would the Jazz be able to avoid some of the slow starts we've come to expect on certain nights? I'm not saying Harris is a lost cause... but what do we think of this idea? Start him? Bench him? Trade him?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1011 ... o-struggle

[The59Sound]

We definitely want Earl as the pass-first second unit PG to help guide the likes of Favors, Kanter, Burks, and Evans in my opinion. The starting group is fine; they're more seasoned and have Hayward to help Harris set guys up.

I think Devin's been fine using the eye test, but the statistics may disagree. In any case, I feel like things are gelling (to the extent they can with Al Jefferson holding the ball as he does), so there's no need to rock the boat and re-assign roles at the moment.

[Jazzfan Bayamon]

If Earl has to start next to Bell he will instantly suck to start each half.

[JDubJazz]

After a slow start, Harris is starting to "get" it. I wont be crushed if he's traded, but I also think he's going to be a valuable contributor, and if we move him, we better get a decent piece in return.

[Hikari]

Harris and Watson are not that different in production they are just different players. I want Howard in the starting line-up over Bell to let Hayward start at the 2.

I don't want Burks starting yet. His first few min in every game is is alittle out of control. Then he settles down and plays well. I am not against him getting more min I just dont want him starting.

[Jazzfan Bayamon]

Harris and Watson are not that different in production they are just different players. I want Howard in the starting line-up over Bell to let Hayward start at the 2.

I don't want Burks starting yet. His first few min in every game is is alittle out of control. Then he settles down and plays well. I am not against him getting more min I just dont want him starting.

I agree 100%. I also want to make it clear, that we really can't judge Harris' performance untill he can play without Raja Bell the way Watson can. It's actually unfair to the whole starting unit to have to bear playing with him as it seriusly affects their effectiveness on the court. Usually Harris plays better in the 2nd and 4th qtr. Why?? No Raja Bell. It's so simple really, even a cavem...

[hornacek4three]

Watson is a bull and a really good backup point guard. I agree that Harris isn't a long time answer but I like that he can shoot the three and does handle the ball better than Watson. Keep Harris as starter but don't trade anyone unless it's Bell, CJ, or Big Al(if we get good value)

When Hayward and Favors really get going this team is going to be really fun to watch especially at home.

[woodstock17]

Harris and Watson are not that different in production they are just different players. I want Howard in the starting line-up over Bell to let Hayward start at the 2.

I don't want Burks starting yet. His first few min in every game is is alittle out of control. Then he settles down and plays well. I am not against him getting more min I just dont want him starting.

I agree 100%. I also want to make it clear, that we really can't judge Harris' performance untill he can play without Raja Bell the way Watson can. It's actually unfair to the whole starting unit to have to bear playing with him as it seriusly affects their effectiveness on the court. Usually Harris plays better in the 2nd and 4th qtr. Why?? No Raja Bell. It's so simple really, even a cavem...

Dude chill on the raja stuff. He actually didn't do too bad last night. Yeah he didn't score much but he helped the team. You are blinded by hatred if you think he hurt the team last night. And you can't blame everything on raja. Yeah he has been terrible but everyone is making mistakes and I definitely don't think playing with raja is making Harris worse. Harris has never been much of a team player. Everyone just overlooked that when he was playing well. Now that he has dropped off a little bit it is a lot more evident.

What if we as fans actually tried to help cheer for raja to help him out of his slump? Yeah I agree I would rather see him on the bench but if he were to be able to get his shot on and make those 2 or 3 shots he gets in his 15 minutes then he could help the team. I think Corbin is doing it right trying to let him play through it so we should try to help him. We have won a few games so I hardly think that he has hurt the team too badly. But if this continues and we start losing games again (which we most likely will next month when we have a lot of road games, hopefully not though) then something's gotta give and he should be dumped or benched. All I'm saying is give him a chance. Give him and extra cheer if you go to the game. Make a sign to help him get his confidence back. If he can I really think he can be a valuable piece to the team.

[Jazzfan Bayamon]

Harris and Watson are not that different in production they are just different players. I want Howard in the starting line-up over Bell to let Hayward start at the 2.

I don't want Burks starting yet. His first few min in every game is is alittle out of control. Then he settles down and plays well. I am not against him getting more min I just dont want him starting.

I agree 100%. I also want to make it clear, that we really can't judge Harris' performance untill he can play without Raja Bell the way Watson can. It's actually unfair to the whole starting unit to have to bear playing with him as it seriusly affects their effectiveness on the court. Usually Harris plays better in the 2nd and 4th qtr. Why?? No Raja Bell. It's so simple really, even a cavem...

Dude chill on the raja stuff. He actually didn't do too bad last night. Yeah he didn't score much but he helped the team. You are blinded by hatred if you think he hurt the team last night. And you can't blame everything on raja. Yeah he has been terrible but everyone is making mistakes and I definitely don't think playing with raja is making Harris worse. Harris has never been much of a team player. Everyone just overlooked that when he was playing well. Now that he has dropped off a little bit it is a lot more evident.

What if we as fans actually tried to help cheer for raja to help him out of his slump? Yeah I agree I would rather see him on the bench but if he were to be able to get his shot on and make those 2 or 3 shots he gets in his 15 minutes then he could help the team. I think Corbin is doing it right trying to let him play through it so we should try to help him. We have won a few games so I hardly think that he has hurt the team too badly. But if this continues and we start losing games again (which we most likely will next month when we have a lot of road games, hopefully not though) then something's gotta give and he should be dumped or benched. All I'm saying is give him a chance. Give him and extra cheer if you go to the game. Make a sign to help him get his confidence back. If he can I really think he can be a valuable piece to the team.

So you're Raja's friend, or family?

Seriously, LOL at you for even trying to defend him. He's done nothing, and I mean NOTHING to help this team win. What I have stated is all fact. He is the only player in the starting lineup to never end up with a positive "plus-minus" this season. His putrid numbers don't lie, and the FACT that we have had to overcome his time on court to win 4 games is proof enough that instead of putting up signs to "cheer him up", all the signs should say "BENCH THE HELL OUT OF BELL". He's IS NOT a part of the future of this team, and right now, he is the WORST PART of the present.

[eLo]

trade Harris before his value will drop down to a level of rudy roll, its unbelievable that we could get Miller for Harris back in days, but then it was bad trade, now it would be great one

[Paper Face]

So you're Raja's friend, or family?

Seriously, LOL at you for even trying to defend him. He's done nothing, and I mean NOTHING to help this team win. What I have stated is all fact. He is the only player in the starting lineup to never end up with a positive "plus-minus" this season. His putrid numbers don't lie, and the FACT that we have had to overcome his time on court to win 4 games is proof enough that instead of putting up signs to "cheer him up", all the signs should say "BENCH THE HELL OUT OF BELL". He's IS NOT a part of the future of this team, and right now, he is the WORST PART of the present.

You'll have to forgive Woodstock. He actually considers Bell to be a human being that is capable of overcoming adversity via the power of the "human spirit". I know, bizarre.

You and I know better. Bell isn't even capable of tying his shoes without hurting the team anymore. A case could be made that he is actually the worst player in Jazz history to ever touch a basketball.

The most effective way to handle the Bell situation is to complain about him on every thread. Because, you know... b!tching solves everything. Preach that gospel like a door-to-door saint. Work that truth like a revivalist minister. To that end, you are certainly a top 3 missionary, Bayamon. Keep up the good work.

[Jazzfan Bayamon]

So you're Raja's friend, or family?

Seriously, LOL at you for even trying to defend him. He's done nothing, and I mean NOTHING to help this team win. What I have stated is all fact. He is the only player in the starting lineup to never end up with a positive "plus-minus" this season. His putrid numbers don't lie, and the FACT that we have had to overcome his time on court to win 4 games is proof enough that instead of putting up signs to "cheer him up", all the signs should say "BENCH THE HELL OUT OF BELL". He's IS NOT a part of the future of this team, and right now, he is the WORST PART of the present.

You'll have to forgive Woodstock. He actually considers Bell to be a human being that is capable of overcoming adversity via the power of the "human spirit". I know, bizarre.

You and I know better. Bell isn't even capable of tying his shoes without hurting the team anymore. A case could be made that he is actually the worst player in Jazz history to ever touch a basketball.

The most effective way to handle the Bell situation is to complain about him on every thread. Because, you know... b!tching solves everything. Preach that gospel like a door-to-door saint. Work that truth like a revivalist minister. To that end, you are certainly a top 3 missionary, Bayamon. Keep up the good work.

Thank you

And BTW, this is a forum to discuss the Utah Jazz, not to cradle players or their emotions. I have never posted any Ill-willed remarks toward Bell in his personal life, and wish him the best in that regard. However, as a basketball player in the team I root for, he is the biggest hinderance this team has right now. It's so big we really can't evaluate other possibilities to improve because when he plays, you can argue that any problem is because of him. For example, the topic at hand in this thread. You can't really make a case for/against Harris/Watson because you have to take in account that Raja Bell, the one that has accumulated a -70 in just 7 games, for an avg of -10 per game in just about 18 minutes a game (that means we have 18 minutes per game that we lose by 10, meaning we have to win the remaining 30 minutes by 11+ to win the game ), plays almost exclusively with Harris, thus affecting his impact and effcency, and not with Watson. If it makes you feel any better, our coaching staff insists on starting him so you can watch him play and make us lose during the time he's on the floor for another night. Hopefully the rest of the team can compensate for him and win, but if we lose, at least you saw you boy, the wonderful human being, play.

[Paper Face]

And BTW, this is a forum to discuss the Utah Jazz, not to cradle players or their emotions.

Are you for real? This is a forum for Utah Jazz fanatics. And what is fanaticism? It is to be filled with excessive and single-minded zeal for someone or something. For this forum it is the Jazz, and I question your fanaticism if you assume otherwise.

I have never posted any Ill-willed remarks toward Bell in his personal life, and wish him the best in that regard.

Well, maybe that's your problem. To give Bell the benefit of the doubt in any aspect of his life is ridiculous and non-fanatical. He is the antichrist as far as the jazz are concerned.

If it makes you feel any better, our coaching staff insists on starting him so you can watch him play and make us lose during the time he's on the floor for another night. Hopefully the rest of the team can compensate for him and win, but if we lose, at least you saw you boy, the wonderful human being, play.

It would make me feel better if you would stop insisting such things as Bell being "my boy".

If anything, I don't think you bring Bell up in a negative context nearly enough. There are at least a dozen threads on the first page of this forum in which you haven't posted about him. Get to it, and perhaps then I will deem you worthy of the fanaticism that you purport to possess.

[woodstock17]

Hey raja had an ok game tonight right? Hope we see more of that

[Ballings7]

lol you guys really don't like Raja Bell....

I don't think he should be starting, but he's still a respectable player at his age, in his final years.

[eLo]

is Harris sick or something, maybe he got some personal troubles??? because really i dont get why he is playing like that, he is much better and more efficient player than what he is showing lately

[seejaydeja]

is Harris sick or something, maybe he got some personal troubles??? because really i dont get why he is playing like that, he is much better and more efficient player than what he is showing lately

It's so obvious everytime he steps out on the court that the only thing holding him back is his own effort.

[babyjax13]

It's funny, I thought he was terrible at the beginning of the season and now he looks much better - maybe I just lowered by expectations significantly.

[Farsider322]

Might not be an option. Earl Watson is having an MRI today to see if there are any torn ligaments from last nights injury..... Stay tuned....the Jazz may be looking for another PG.

[Wolverine]

He said he is in a lot of pain