Hypothetical Question from Boston

Celtics>Breathing · Post #1 » by **Celtics>Breathing** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:48 am

Does Utah go for a Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo trade centered around A Jeff, D Harris, G Hayward, GSW #1?

Boston would need to think there going to make some sort of splash in FA next year.

I would think Utah would be all over this, but am I wrong?

Post #2 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:51 am

Intriguing. Me personally I'd explore something without centered around Jefferson and Rondo but without Pierce or Hayward.

mjvile · Post #3 » by **mjvile** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:54 am

Celtics>Breathing wrote:Does Utah go for a Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo trade centered around A Jeff, D Harris, G Hayward, GSW #1?

Boston would need to think there going to make some sort of splash in FA next year.

I would think Utah would be all over this, but am I wrong?

I would go for Devin Harris plus Millsap and TPE and maybe GSW #1 for Pierce and Rando

I think it would be ironic that Boston traded for Big Al.

Celtics>Breathing · Post #4 » by **Celtics>Breathing** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:57 am

HappyProle wrote:Intriguing. Me personally I'd explore something without centered around Jefferson and Rondo but without Pierce or Hayward.

Who's your starting PG if you lose Harris? Watson?

Celtics>Breathing · Post #5 » by **Celtics>Breathing** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:59 am

mjvile wrote:
Celtics>Breathing wrote:Does Utah go for a Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo trade centered around A Jeff, D Harris, G Hayward, GSW #1?

Boston would need to think there going to make some sort of splash in FA next year.

I would think Utah would be all over this, but am I wrong?

I would go for Devin Harris plus Millsap and TPE and maybe GSW #1 for Pierce and Rando

I think it would be ironic that Boston traded for Big Al.

Not interested in Millsap. Big Al would be welcomed home in this scenario. That kid grew up in Boston and we'd love to have him back.

mjvile · Post #6 » by **mjvile** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:01 am

Celtics>Breathing wrote:
mjvile wrote:
Celtics>Breathing wrote:Does Utah go for a Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo trade centered around A Jeff, D Harris, G Hayward, GSW #1?

Boston would need to think there going to make some sort of splash in FA next year.

I would think Utah would be all over this, but am I wrong?

I would go for Devin Harris plus Millsap and TPE and maybe GSW #1 for Pierce and Rando

I think it would be ironic that Boston traded for Big Al.

Not interested in Millsap. Big Al would be welcomed home in this scenario. That kid grew up in Boston and we'd love to have him back.

True true but I would not give up his unique talent specially after watching him develop they way he has with Utah. Passing better blocking better and rotating better.

Celtics>Breathing · Post #7 » by **Celtics>Breathing** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:10 am

mjvile wrote:True true but I would not give up his unique talent specially after watching him develop they way he has with Utah. Passing better blocking better and rotating better.

Understood. Big Al is a good player. I would just think you'd be looking for back-court players for Al because you have Kanter and Favors. I think pairing those two with RR&PP would be a very balanced attack. I'm obviously on the outside looking in on Utah's plans. Is Kanter a bust already?

mjvile · Post #8 » by **mjvile** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:17 am

Celtics>Breathing wrote:
mjvile wrote:True true but I would not give up his unique talent specially after watching him develop they way he has with Utah. Passing better blocking better and rotating better.

Understood. Big Al is a good player. I would just think you'd be looking for back-court players for Al because you have Kanter and Favors. I think pairing those two with RR&PP would be a very balanced attack. I'm obviously on the outside looking in on Utah's plans. Is Kanter a bust already?

Katner is very productive for the minutes he plays the thing about big man is you can't have too many and your never know injuries. Having a three man rotation of Al Katner Favors and Millsap is ideal but willing to get ride of Millsap but it just my opinion. Here is a link to Katners stats.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Enes_Kanter/Summary/9273

Celtics>Breathing · Post #9 » by **Celtics>Breathing** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:26 am

mjvile wrote:Katner is very productive for the minutes he plays the thing about big man is you can't have too many and your never know injuries. Having a three man rotation of Al Katner Favors and Millsap is ideal but willing to get ride of Millsap but it just my opinion. Here is a link to Katners stats.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Enes_Kanter/Summary/9273

The same reason your willing to give up Millsap is the same reason he's not very attractive to other teams. Honestly Millsap is the perfect bench big man for you guys. To get some back-court players you'll need to give up either Kanter, Favors or Jefferson. No reason to have all three. Again, pairing Rondo and Pierce with either a Favors/Jefferson, Favors/Kantor or Kantor/Jefferson combo would be getting great value IMO.

But I think Boston would only be interested in Big Al or Favors. Lot easier to work out contracts with Big Al however.

mjvile · Post #10 » by **mjvile** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:32 am

[url]Honestly Millsap is the perfect bench big man for you guys.[/url]

Just FYI Millsap is a starter for us and is in the brink of being a All star.

Link to Millsap stats:

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Paul_Millsap/Summary/112

Celtics>Breathing · Post #11 » by **Celtics>Breathing** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:38 am

mjvile wrote:[url]Honestly Millsap is the perfect bench big man for you guys.[/url]

Just FYI Millsap is a starter for us and is in the brink of being a All star.

Link to Millsap stats:

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Paul_Millsap/Summary/112

I did not realize he was starting for you. I would like to point out that Millsap is a very good player, but not someone of high value for a rebuild scenario IMO. Again though, you would rather trade him. It must be a little frustrating that Kanter or Favors can't beat out Millsap for the starting nod. Is it just a coaching philosophy or something?

mjvile · Post #12 » by **mjvile** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:51 am

Celtics>Breathing wrote:
mjvile wrote:[url]Honestly Millsap is the perfect bench big man for you guys.[/url]

Just FYI Millsap is a starter for us and is in the brink of being a All star.

Link to Millsap stats:

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Paul_Millsap/Summary/112

I did not realize he was starting for you. I would like to point out that Millsap is a very good player, but not someone of high value for a rebuild scenario IMO. Again though, you would rather trade him. It must be a little frustrating that Kanter or Favors can't beat out Millsap for the starting nod. Is it just a coaching philosophy or something?

Favors started at the begining of the season but is not as consistent as Millsap is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mxYnNPnR6w

Celtics>Breathing · Post #13 » by **Celtics>Breathing** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:54 am

mjvile wrote:Favors started at the begining of the season but is not as consistent as Millsap is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mxYnNPnR6w

Tell you what......when we sign D12 this offseason :wink:

we'll trade for Millsap because those two would go together real well IMO.

mjvile · Post #14 » by **mjvile** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:56 am

Celtics>Breathing wrote:
mjvile wrote:Favors started at the begining of the season but is not as consistent as Millsap is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mxYnNPnR6w

Tell you what......when we sign D12 this offseason we'll trade for Millsap because those two would go together real well IMO.

Lol. Millsap plays amazing with bigs he is a great inside passer.

HolyToledo · Post #15 » by **HolyToledo** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:37 am

Celtics>Breathing wrote:Does Utah go for a Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo trade centered around A Jeff, D Harris, G Hayward, GSW #1?

Boston would need to think there going to make some sort of splash in FA next year.

I would think Utah would be all over this, but am I wrong?

Hard to trade Hayward rather trade Miles and Burks

Post #16 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:42 am

Millsap > Jefferson Anyways, I want a little less extreme trade. I think a Harris Jarret Jack move would be ok.

Brown Notes · Post #17 » by **Brown Notes** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:37 pm

IMO Boston is not interested in moving Rondo, rather any/all of the older guys. I think they want to rebuild around Rondo and whatever they can get from the Big 3.

Also Pierce's contract is murder. Utah's greatest strength right now is their absurd flexibility cap wise and their stockpile of assets. I don't think KOC is going to take on an older player's bloated contract.

I personally would do AL + GS pick for Rondo and find some other use for Harris. Just don't think it can happen.

In any case it probably will not be possible to keep AL & Sap long term, some decision will have to be made.

humblebum · Post #18 » by **humblebum** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 6:10 pm

Brown Notes wrote:IMO Boston is not interested in moving Rondo, rather any/all of the older guys. I think they want to rebuild around Rondo and whatever they can get from the Big 3.

Also Pierce's contract is murder. Utah's greatest strength right now is their absurd flexibility cap wise and their stockpile of assets. I don't think KOC is going to take on an older player's bloated contract.

I personally would do AL + GS pick for Rondo and find some other use for Harris. Just don't think it can happen.

In any case it probably will not be possible to keep AL & Sap long term, some decision will have to be made.

I still think that the team is potentially open to dealing Rondo it just has to be for the right package.

In the off-season I could see Ainge considering that deal for Al Jefferson and the GSW pick in exchange for Rondo. With the cap space the Celtics have they have a TON of flexibility. With the draft being as deep as it is and the Celtics already having two first round picks and Avery Bradley playing PG, Ainge could likely find some talent to replace Rondo including Doc Rivers' kid.

Millsap holds no value for the Celtics in a rebuild because he can't be a true focal point offensively in the way that Big Al can.

If a deal were to get done with Boston/Utah I'd think that Rondo/Ray would be the package going your way and Jefferson/GSW pick and Miles coming back Boston's way would be a good starting point.

Brown Notes · Post #19 » by **Brown Notes** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 6:38 pm

If Ray comes you gotta take Harris too.

Al + Harris + GS for Rondo + Allen. I doubt anybody would care if you got CJ too although he's been pretty good lately.

humblebum · Post #20 » by **humblebum** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 6:58 pm

Brown Notes wrote:If Ray comes you gotta take Harris too.

Al + Harris + GS for Rondo + Allen. I doubt anybody would care if you got CJ too although he's been pretty good lately.

Harris is definitely a no-go for the Celtics. Not only is he not the "Celtics" type but his contract would prevent the Celtics from resigning key guys like KG, Jeff Green, Pietrus and Brandon Bass but would also prevent the Celtics from going after a max salary player.