This team needs a Leader

idajazz · Post #1 » by **idajazz** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:33 pm

This team is one player away from being pretty dang good.
we need a star stud player.
When the Stockton/Malone era ended we got lucky and had Deron.

Now who is it ? It isn't anybody on the roster now :roll:

Management needs to do whatever it takes and find THAT guy.

I Have no Idea Who, I Don't know where. That's why KOC gets paid the big bucks.

Is THAT guy in the draft? Is THAT guy somebody they can trade for?

Thoughts?

Ming Kong! · Post #2 » by **Ming Kong!** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:56 pm

We need to trade Big Al for a good PG. He's one of the best centers in the NBA (atleast that's how the NBA analysts look at him). I'm sure we can land a very good PG from a team looking to change things up a bit. Any chance that we can snatch Steve Nash? Ofcourse I don't think Steve Nash would be interested incoming to play here. With Gortat playing great, I don't know if a big is really what they are looking for, maybe a SF/SG is more in their cards. Al's trade value is high, lets get a damn PG or a great shooter!

HolyToledo · Post #3 » by **HolyToledo** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:27 pm

We have a leader in Watson and even Bell. We lack a star player but the Jazz have stocked piled talent so now is the time to trade 2-3 players for that star player i.e. Rondo, Monte Ellis, Iggy, etc.

Xsy · Post #4 » by **Xsy** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:00 pm

I think Burks has the quality to be this team's leader, but probably not for another year or two.

Post #5 » by **StocktonShorts** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:33 pm

We're just a superstar away from being a great team!!! :rofl:

That's EVERY team in the NBA.

Jazzfan12 · Post #6 » by **Jazzfan12** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:46 pm

HappyProle wrote:We're just a superstar away from being a great team!!!

That's EVERY team in the NBA.

Just think about how this team would be with LeBron James

mjvile · Post #7 » by **mjvile** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:51 am

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1159129

Been saying this all year.

Xsy · Post #8 » by **Xsy** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:39 am

HappyProle wrote:We're just a superstar away from being a great team!!!

That's EVERY team in the NBA.

That's not every team in the NBA. Most teams have their "guy". If I were to ask 50 people "Who is THE player for the Utah Jazz?", I would probably get 5 different answers, where most teams only have about 1-3 different answers.

There's a few other teams out there like Utah right now, but I'd say most teams have their leaders. Even if they aren't good leaders.

Post #9 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:21 am

I saw this thread and thought it was going to be about needing a player with leadership skills, but OP seems to be saying "if we had a superstar we'd be better." Well, duh.

Besides making such an obvious point, superstar doesn't necessarily mean leader. For example, I thought Deron was a borderline superstar but a subpar leader. The Jazz haven't had a leader since Stockton/Malone. And even then I'd argue those guys mostly amplified/channeled Sloan's leadership.

idajazz · Post #10 » by **idajazz** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:30 am

Deron was a great leader in the sense that he made the other players on the floor better.

This team has had a star for many yrs, I don't get the :rofl:

Why shouldn't we expect the front office to find another ?

We need a go to guy and it was on full display just last game. If we have a Stockton, a Malone, Or Deron on the floor during that 4th quarter, that game is a W.

ack · Post #11 » by **ack** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:58 am

What about MoneyMan?

Efernand · Post #12 » by **Efernand** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:38 pm

HappyProle wrote:The Jazz haven't had a leader since Stockton/Malone. And even then I'd argue those guys mostly amplified/channeled Sloan's leadership.

I agree with that. I never saw Stockton and Malone as very vocal leaders but they were obviously the stars of the team and they completely bought into Sloan's system so upon seeing that all the other players would fall in line. If your star player is not buying into the coach's system then that spreads on to the rest of the guys which is part of what happened with Deron and Sloan.

idajazz · Post #13 » by **idajazz** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:45 pm

HappyProle wrote:
The Jazz haven't had a leader since Stockton/Malone. And even then I'd argue those guys mostly amplified/channeled Sloan's leadership.

I agree with that. I never saw Stockton and Malone as very vocal leaders

Are you guys about 15 yrs old? Did you not get to watch Stockton/Malone for 18 years?
John Stockton was probably the best floor general to ever play. some of the stuff I read on here just flat out boggles the mind.
Do you need to be vocal to be a leader?
Every player that ever wore a Jazz uni during that era knew who the team Leader was.
Stockton didn't need to be vocal, he was a leader by example, with the full backing of his coach.
Deron, even with squabbles with Sloan was the same.

Efernand · Post #14 » by **Efernand** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:28 pm

idajazz wrote:Do you need to be vocal to be a leader?
Every player that ever wore a Jazz uni during that era knew who the team Leader was.
Stockton didn't need to be vocal, he was a leader by example, with the full backing of his coach

You do realize that is exactly what I said? I didn't say Stockton and Malone weren't leaders, I said they weren't vocal leaders. They weren't the type to call team meetings and talk to guys about their ****ing feelings and their effort and we gotta do this and we gotta do that and we gotta play better guys *sniff sniff*.

They led by completely buying into the coach's system.
They led by showing up after every offseason in better shape than anyone.
They led by completely staying out of the news and focusing on nothing more than playing their best basketball every night.

What made that possible though is the fact that they were the star players of the team, they were the guys the team was built around, they were the guys everyone else looked up to. That's what the current Jazz lack.

Who are those guys on this team? Al Jeff? Millsap? I don't think even they see themselves in that role.

Post #15 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:28 pm

idajazz wrote:
HappyProle wrote:
The Jazz haven't had a leader since Stockton/Malone. And even then I'd argue those guys mostly amplified/channeled Sloan's leadership.

I agree with that. I never saw Stockton and Malone as very vocal leaders

Are you guys about 15 yrs old? Did you not get to watch Stockton/Malone for 18 years?
John Stockton was probably the best floor general to ever play. some of the stuff I read on here just flat out boggles the mind.
Do you need to be vocal to be a leader?
Every player that ever wore a Jazz uni during that era knew who the team Leader was.
Stockton didn't need to be vocal, he was a leader by example, with the full backing of his coach.
Deron, even with squabbles with Sloan was the same.

You seem to be equating "leader" with "star player" again and again. That's fine but I happen to disagree with that assertion, and as I said I think Deron is a prime example.

idajazz · Post #16 » by **idajazz** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:39 pm

So just replace the word leader with go to guy.

I'm talking about a guy who when things get tough, the rest of the team automatically relies on to make the play.
The guy that sets the example in the off season, the guy who sets the example in the weight room.
The guy the coach has no question about naming captain.
We don't have that guy.
Maybe even like the Stockton/Malone era it could be 2 guys.
Yes Sloan set the tone, and was in fact a leader, but there is a difference between being the main guy and the coach.
Having that GO TO GUY makes any coach worth having job a lot easier.

russnumber3 · Post #17 » by **russnumber3** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:43 pm

HappyProle wrote:
idajazz wrote:
HappyProle wrote:
The Jazz haven't had a leader since Stockton/Malone. And even then I'd argue those guys mostly amplified/channeled Sloan's leadership.

I agree with that. I never saw Stockton and Malone as very vocal leaders

Are you guys about 15 yrs old? Did you not get to watch Stockton/Malone for 18 years?
John Stockton was probably the best floor general to ever play. some of the stuff I read on here just flat out boggles the mind.
Do you need to be vocal to be a leader?
Every player that ever wore a Jazz uni during that era knew who the team Leader was.
Stockton didn't need to be vocal, he was a leader by example, with the full backing of his coach.
Deron, even with squabbles with Sloan was the same.

You seem to be equating "leader" with "star player" again and again. That's fine but I happen to disagree with that assertion, and as I said I think Deron is a prime example.

I have to agree with my fellow Idahoan on this one - Deron was a leader by example. In fact, much more so than Malone was. I remember being let down by Malone soooo many times in late-game situations! I think Deron is arguably the best clutch player we have had (along with Stockton). If you are talking about leading by example - there is no better setting to lead than in late-game situations.

I actually think the current roster has vocal leaders, (Raja, Al, Earl) We just don't have guys who are talented enough or confident enough in late-game situations.

Post #18 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:53 pm

Ok, If we're talking about go-to guy then I agree with you 100%.

idajazz · Post #19 » by **idajazz** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:32 pm

So, Who is out there that could possibly be traded for, drafted, kidnapped, hijacked.
My thinking is it is going to be a guy that we draft.

Post #20 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:53 pm

idajazz wrote:So, Who is out there that could possibly be traded for, drafted, kidnapped, hijacked.
My thinking is it is going to be a guy that we draft.

I agree. Could be a guy this year. (crosses fingers)