Fire Jerry Sloan-Wait, I Mean Ty Corbin

JDubJazz · Post #1 » by **JDubJazz** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:52 pm

I'm not sure I have the strength to do this anymore. I endured 20 years of the most overrated coach in NBA history (Jerry Sloan) whom I despised, and now the Jazz have hired a guy that makes me wish Jerry was back prowling the sidelines again. Tyrone is an unmitigated disaster and is completely out of his depth. If things continue as they are, the young players WILL mutiny and they will be completely justified.

Cut your losses now, Jazz. Even "saint Jerry" got fired from his first head coaching job. Ty's not ready for the big time, and I really don't have the patience to watch him destroy the Jazz while he figures it out.

seejaydeja · Post #2 » by **seejaydeja** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:03 pm

blasphemer

HolyToledo · Post #3 » by **HolyToledo** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:20 pm

I agree with you JDub for the most part. Corbin is the worst game manager I have ever seen. He is a good practice coach. In essence, he is a good assistant trying to become a good head coach. He also picked up Jerry's bad habits of not doing defensive-offensive substitutions. He was not my choice as I wanted someone as far from Sloan as possible. That being said, he did improve the defense and encouraged the Jazz to run. It is just his in game coaching and substitution which is bad. His assistants dont seem to be helping him much either during the game.

Fido · Post #4 » by **Fido** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:51 pm

All you armchair coaches crack me up.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #5 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:05 pm

Ummmm... look at our record. We are in contention for a playoff spot, possibly home court advantage, with a team that was supposed to within the bottom five of the ENTIRE league. You all probably tried to get your teachers fired in grade school cuz you couldn't math. :lol:

finnegan · Post #6 » by **finnegan** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:54 pm

QuantumMacgyver wrote:Ummmm... look at our record. We are in contention for a playoff spot, possibly home court advantage, with a team that was supposed to within the bottom five of the ENTIRE league. You all probably tried to get your teachers fired in grade school cuz you couldn't math.

+1

JDub is not a bad guy. But he has one solution for every problem. Fire the Coach!

I am starting to be a Corbin fan.

red4hf · Post #7 » by **red4hf** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:18 am

QuantumMacgyver wrote:Ummmm... look at our record. We are in contention for a playoff spot, possibly home court advantage, with a team that was supposed to within the bottom five of the ENTIRE league. You all probably tried to get your teachers fired in grade school cuz you couldn't math.

We are where we are largely in spite of Corbin, not because of him...... And injuries to other teams haven't hurt either......

BJSmiles · Post #8 » by **BJSmiles** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:28 am

red4hf wrote:
QuantumMacgyver wrote:Ummmm... look at our record. We are in contention for a playoff spot, possibly home court advantage, with a team that was supposed to within the bottom five of the ENTIRE league. You all probably tried to get your teachers fired in grade school cuz you couldn't math.

We are where we are largely in spite of Corbin, not because of him...... And injuries to other teams haven't hurt either......

You honestly believe this team is better than where they are? They have overachieved and have brought along the youth and newer players faster than anyone thought possible. You guys make me laugh. I bet you think Stockton and Malone would have been better without Sloan... :lol:

JDubJazz · Post #9 » by **JDubJazz** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:31 am

You all can sing Ty's praises all you want. He's still a pretty terrible coach right now. He might be really good someday, but he's been tainted by his association with Jerry Sloan. I'm tired of rooting for a team who's core philosophy is to reward experience rather than performance. It was Jerry's Achilles heel, and Corbin is taking it to a whole new level. The goal is not to win a little this year, the goal is to win a lot in a couple of years. His coaching has set this team back at least a season.

JDubJazz · Post #10 » by **JDubJazz** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:37 am

BJSmiles wrote:
red4hf wrote:
QuantumMacgyver wrote:Ummmm... look at our record. We are in contention for a playoff spot, possibly home court advantage, with a team that was supposed to within the bottom five of the ENTIRE league. You all probably tried to get your teachers fired in grade school cuz you couldn't math.

We are where we are largely in spite of Corbin, not because of him...... And injuries to other teams haven't hurt either......

You honestly believe this team is better than where they are? They have overachieved and have brought along the youth and newer players faster than anyone thought possible. You guys make me laugh. I bet you think Stockton and Malone would have been better without Sloan...

Stockton and Malone would have been SIGNIFICANTLY better without Jerry Sloan. Phil Jackson would have won them at least two, if not more, titles, in my opinion. I will never understand the loyalty of this fan base to a guy who was a perennial playoff underachiever, and when the going got rough, took his ball and went home. It's funny that no one seems to remember that Jerry actually criticized other coaches for quitting during a season, and then did the same thing himself.

BJSmiles · Post #11 » by **BJSmiles** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:38 am

Man, it's getting damn dramatic up in here. I think I shed a tear or two.

BJSmiles · Post #12 » by **BJSmiles** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:47 am

These are indisputable facts here people. Don't let the majority of Jazz fans or NBA fans try to convince you otherwise, Jerry Sloan was the worst coach in the league, ever.

I don't know what is dumber, that statement, or being a fan of a team for 22 years when you hate their coach so much. I wasn't alive then, but the legends of Nissalke and Layden as head coaches must have demanded no less...

red4hf · Post #13 » by **red4hf** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:50 am

BJSmiles wrote:
red4hf wrote:
QuantumMacgyver wrote:Ummmm... look at our record. We are in contention for a playoff spot, possibly home court advantage, with a team that was supposed to within the bottom five of the ENTIRE league. You all probably tried to get your teachers fired in grade school cuz you couldn't math.

We are where we are largely in spite of Corbin, not because of him...... And injuries to other teams haven't hurt either......

You honestly believe this team is better than where they are? They have overachieved and have brought along the youth and newer players faster than anyone thought possible. You guys make me laugh. I bet you think Stockton and Malone would have been better without Sloan...

I have no idea whether Stockton and Malone would have been better without Sloan...... I've always said that Jerry Sloan was one of the greatest, if not the greatest, regular season coaches in the NBA...... In the playoffs, however, he was vastly overrated...... 2 Finals and zero titles in 20 years with two of the greatest players ever is nothing to be happy about.....

As far as this year, I think the Jazz had done only slightly better than where I thought they could be if they stuck with playing Millsap and Jefferson 30+ minutes a game...... Whether or not that is the right decision in the long term, remains to be seen...... And like I said, injuries to other teams have a lot to do with where the Jazz are in standings......

BJSmiles · Post #14 » by **BJSmiles** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:57 am

The Jazz are not the only team that have had the benefit of playing teams with injuries in this shortened season. Everyone has benefited as well as suffered from injuries this season.

red4hf · Post #15 » by **red4hf** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:02 am

BJSmiles wrote:The Jazz are not the only team that have had the benefit of playing teams with injuries in this shortened season. Everyone has benefited as well as suffered from injuries this season.

None of our star players have had injuries......

Post #16 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:55 am

red4hf wrote:
BJSmiles wrote:The Jazz are not the only team that have had the benefit of playing teams with injuries in this shortened season. Everyone has benefited as well as suffered from injuries this season.

None of our star players have had injuries......

This is one thing I do give Corbin credit for. Aside from his massive brain fart last night in Atlanta, he's done a good job of playing lots of guys to keep the starters' minutes down. I think that has contributed to the Jazz not missing many games due to injuries. The other factor is the Jazz's youth. I think it's easier for young guys to bounce back from things like ankle sprains.

BJSmiles · Post #17 » by **BJSmiles** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:48 am

red4hf wrote:
BJSmiles wrote:The Jazz are not the only team that have had the benefit of playing teams with injuries in this shortened season. Everyone has benefited as well as suffered from injuries this season.

None of our star players have had injuries......

Nice rose colored glasses there bruh...

Millsap - 1 game
Al - 5 games (though 2 were for funeral)
Devin - 2 games
Howard - 8 games including the rest of the season

All starters. I won't even mention Raja Bell, and you could certainly count Watsons injury as being seriously detrimental to this team considering the way he was playing before he went down. But you're right, they haven't had very many injuries, and some of the credit for that needs to go to Ty. Other than the 4OT debacle, he has done pretty well giving starters rest having a larger than usual rotation of players.

finnegan · Post #18 » by **finnegan** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:52 am

Queuing Red4hf hating on the coach in three, two, one...

red4hf wrote:We are where we are largely in spite of Corbin, not because of him...... And injuries to other teams haven't hurt either......

Neon Black · Post #19 » by **Neon Black** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:20 am

I like Corbin. There are a few things I disagree with but that's always going to be there, with ANY coach.

He's doing the right thing with the players he's been given. It's not his job to tank or bench our highest paid, most experienced and frankly best players. That's on Kevin O'Connor getting rid of whoever is in the way.

And honestly, Corbin has done a hell of a lot more trying to get the young guys involved than Sloan would have, while still appeasing the veterans (who have been playing well, btw). This team is WINNING, they're doing it with great chemistry, balance and a very team-oriented mentality. Corbin hasn't been scared of pissing off Bell or Miles, yet he's never disrespected any of them.

This team was a train wreck when they gave it to Ty. As far as I'm concerned, he's done an absolutely amazing job at getting things going in the right direction. Players love and respect him and he's a much better teacher than Sloan - from using more video to teach defense to simply knowing how to communicate with these guys.

You guys with hot tar and feathers always ready in your hands never cease to amaze me. You expect some ethereal standard of perfection for these coaches yet you don't even know what that standard is...it's unattainable.

All I know is I'd rather stick with Corbin as long as these results keep coming in:

1. Chemistry is good/Players are happy
2. We're winning
3. Young guys are developing
4. Our best players are getting the minutes they deserve

And most importantly:

5. We keep getting BETTER.

You can keep hating on him, but you know the Jazz are going to stick w/ him for a while...might as well put down your stones and enjoy the ride. Better than being one of these teams that go through 10 coaching changes every few years...is that what you want?

sendai91 · Post #20 » by **sendai91** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:40 am

Glass half full? - the Jazz are 75% likely to make the playoffs, are likely to finish 2nd in the division and have exceeded the projections of nearly all of the NBA analysts so far this year. They've won 7 of their last 8 games, are 6th in ppg, 7th in rpg and 11th in apg in the league, and all this while playing the 9th toughest schedule in the league to date. Victories over Miami, OKC, the Lakers as of late punctuate the teams' obvious progression from where they were at the start of the year..

Glass half empty? It's getting harder and harder to nitpick - by nearly all accounts, it's been a very successful year.

I'd say Corbin's merited a B+ for the team's performance this year, and I came into the year expecting a C ish grade...

Not sure where all the hate is coming from..