Biggest things for the Jazz's youngest guys to work on.

Jazzfan12 · Post #1 » by **Jazzfan12** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 11:14 pm

What do you think the Jazz's four young players need to focus on? IMO

Favors-Touch, decision making (basically, getting down the amount of charges and contested shots he has)
Hayward-Post game, three point shooting
Burks-Shooting, shot selection
Kanter-Passing, offensive repertoire

Pretty happy with how all of the guys are doing.

babyjax13 · Post #2 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 11:34 pm

I would add the pick and roll to Kanter and Favors. Both turn the wrong way quite a bit (instead of setting up so they can face the ball at all times as they initiate the roll).

Jazzy13 · Post #3 » by **Jazzy13** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:22 am

Hayward- Take more shots/ be more assertive in creating offense/ improve handles in traffic
Kanter- Shoot the open mid range jumper if its there with confidence/ stop getting rejected at the rim
Favors- Be more aggressive/nasty all around. Little too soft for my liking as a potential enforcer.
Burks- 3 pt shot/ pass the ball more while driving to the hoop

dabenti · Post #4 » by **dabenti** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:34 am

Kanter - More minutes.

Spottieottie · Post #5 » by **Spottieottie** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:06 am

Hayward - get that 3pt shot back. With the 3pt shot Hayward has all-star potential. Without it, solid but will always be missing it in his game

Favors - Post moves, jump shot, and mental toughness. Needs to get a sweet go-to move down, and needs to not let ticky-tack fouls or missed shots get him down

Kanter - everything. Defense, offense, passing, game rhythm

Burks - everything. Try and work on consistency... if that's somehow possible. Learn how to play within offense, keep working on shots and D

QuantumMacgyver · Post #6 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:36 am

Surprised no one mentioned this, but Favors needs to put some serious time into his free throws.

Kanter- keeping the ball above his chest on rebounds.
Burks- step back jumper if the lane to the hoop is shut off. (or floater)
Hayward- Moving without the ball, a la Manu. In fact just watch Manu tapes all summer. (minus the flopping)
Evans- Shading on his portraits upper lips.

The59Sound · Post #7 » by **The59Sound** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:47 am

dabenti wrote:Kanter - More minutes.

Biggest thing Jazz fan base has to work on: being fans of the entire team.

Jazzfan12 · Post #8 » by **Jazzfan12** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:48 am

I don't know if free throws are improvable generally. Most players shoot 5% better in their prime over their rookie year and dramatic improvements are rare.

Xsy · Post #9 » by **Xsy** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:56 am

I was looking at NBA ages the other day, and I came to the startling realization that Enes Kanter, Alec Burks, and Derrick Favors are all within the top 8 youngest players in the league.

That's **** ridiculous.

As much as I'm down on the team right now, the upside we've got is tremendous.

Ugly0598 · Post #10 » by **Ugly0598** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:57 am

QuantumMacgyver wrote:Surprised no one mentioned this, but Favors needs to put some serious time into his free throws.

Kanter- keeping the ball above his chest on rebounds.
Burks- step back jumper if the lane to the hoop is shut off. (or floater)
Hayward- Moving without the ball, a la Manu. In fact just watch Manu tapes all summer. (minus the flopping)
Evans- Shading on his portraits upper lips.

He has been... it's improved quite a bit just over the course of the season.

Soul Patch · Post #11 » by **Soul Patch** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:53 am

The59Sound wrote:
dabenti wrote:Kanter - More minutes.

Biggest thing Jazz fan base has to work on: being fans of the entire team.

That's an awfully small list.

Lava Rock Kid · Post #12 » by **Lava Rock Kid** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:25 pm

Kanter needs to work on getting traded. If a number 3 draft pick is just going to rot on the bench, he needs to leave for a team who wont let him rot behind a Jefferson and Millsap.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #13 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:52 pm

Lava Rock Kid wrote:Kanter needs to work on getting traded. If a number 3 draft pick is just going to rot on the bench, he needs to leave for a team who wont let him rot behind a Jefferson and Millsap.

The kid is 19 years old and hasn't played for two years. He's shown some flashes but hardly ready to play big minutes. Name the last 19 year old big man to come into the league and log big minutes on a healthy team.

babyjax13 · Post #14 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:02 pm

Enes is following the same trajectory Andrew Bynum did (hopefully without injuries).

dabenti · Post #15 » by **dabenti** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:45 am

QuantumMacgyver wrote:
Lava Rock Kid wrote:Kanter needs to work on getting traded. If a number 3 draft pick is just going to rot on the bench, he needs to leave for a team who wont let him rot behind a Jefferson and Millsap.

The kid is 19 years old and hasn't played for two years. He's shown some flashes but hardly ready to play big minutes. Name the last 19 year old big man to come into the league and log big minutes on a healthy team.

He didn't play 2 years, so he needs minutes. But you're telling that he is not playing, because he didn't play 2 years.

If someone didn't play before and you still don't let him to play. It means he still need minutes. It's a contradiction.

Jazz killing young players.
If you look Favors last year and this year stats, you can see that. Same minutes, same stats. He is adjusted to a bench player. Not a francise, not an all-star, even not a starter!
Enes is on Favors' path. He needs to be leave before being a mediocre player.

babyjax13 · Post #16 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:55 am

dabenti wrote:
QuantumMacgyver wrote:
Lava Rock Kid wrote:Kanter needs to work on getting traded. If a number 3 draft pick is just going to rot on the bench, he needs to leave for a team who wont let him rot behind a Jefferson and Millsap.

The kid is 19 years old and hasn't played for two years. He's shown some flashes but hardly ready to play big minutes. Name the last 19 year old big man to come into the league and log big minutes on a healthy team.

He didn't play 2 years, so he needs minutes. But you're telling that he is not playing, because he didn't play 2 years.

If someone didn't play before and you still don't let him to play. It means he still need minutes. It's a contradiction.

Jazz killing young players.
If you look Favors last year and this year stats, you can see that. Same minutes, same stats. He is adjusted to a bench player. Not a francise, not an all-star, even not a starter!
Enes is on Favors' path. He needs to be leave before being a mediocre player.

This is the NBA, not JV basketball (in which case, the most undeveloped player would still be sitting). I'm not going to argue that the Jazz need to choose a direction for next year by trading Al or Millsap, but to say we need to trade a 19 year old kid who at times just looks completely lost on the court "because we aren't giving him enough minutes"? Give me a break. LA did the same thing with Andrew Byum (except he got less minutes) and look how he turned out.

dabenti · Post #17 » by **dabenti** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:16 pm

I'm sure Jazz will be champion with that cocky answers. There is NBA, right. Not JV basketball. So you have to be realistic. What do you think about Jazz's future? Do you think Jazz can be champion? Do you think Jazz can pass to second round on play-offs with Jefferson and Millsap? I'm telling you, no. Even they will play together 5 seasons, no.

It's not about 19-20 years old guys. It's about Jazz's future. What will you prepare for? Becoma a play-off team, become a contender for the championship?

If Jazz behave a player like Karl Malone, then that player can be Karl Malone. If Jazz behave like worthless, that player thinks he is worthless and he can't develop enough.

Favors and Kanter are diamonds. Jazz have to process them. But Jazz is not processing. They are only waiting for Jefferson and Millsap's trades.

Sorry, it's the truth. You can continue to be cocky and fanatic as a Jazz supporter. I hope anyone will say 10 years later that "i wish we'd never tried to join play-offs and eliminate in the first round. we had to prepare young players for a new contender team."

erudite23 · Post #18 » by **erudite23** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:49 pm

.....why is anyone even talking to this guy? You don't feed the trolls. Its the first rule of internet forums.

I think these guys need to just work. At this point in time, they aren't developed enough to pick an area of focus. They all need to just get better in general, which they are.

Maybe with Hayward, he can really focus on his handle and rebounding....but even he is still quite undeveloped. I like where we're at with these guys. Still anxious that we don't have that A-list guy to build the team around, though. Hard to be a serious contender without one of those.

The59Sound · Post #19 » by **The59Sound** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:55 am

I'll be interested to see how much Kanter's conditioning has improved next year. His cardio was much heralded prior to the draft, but as the cliche says, playing in the NBA is a lot tougher than running on a treadmill.

Hayward doesn't have any particular weaknesses to my eyes, but his best is still yet to come. His ball-handling will get tighter yet, and he'll continue to learn the rebounding angles.

Favors needs to develop a jumper that's at least as reliable as Jefferson's.

I love Burks' instinct to attack, but he needs to learn to pick his spots a little better. His jumper, while better than expected, needs work too. He does have a pretty smooth release, though.

babyjax13 · Post #20 » by **babyjax13** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:56 am

dabenti wrote:I'm sure Jazz will be champion with that cocky answers. There is NBA, right. Not JV basketball. So you have to be realistic. What do you think about Jazz's future? Do you think Jazz can be champion? Do you think Jazz can pass to second round on play-offs with Jefferson and Millsap? I'm telling you, no. Even they will play together 5 seasons, no.

It's not about 19-20 years old guys. It's about Jazz's future. What will you prepare for? Becoma a play-off team, become a contender for the championship?

If Jazz behave a player like Karl Malone, then that player can be Karl Malone. If Jazz behave like worthless, that player thinks he is worthless and he can't develop enough.

Favors and Kanter are diamonds. Jazz have to process them. But Jazz is not processing. They are only waiting for Jefferson and Millsap's trades.

Sorry, it's the truth. You can continue to be cocky and fanatic as a Jazz supporter. I hope anyone will say 10 years later that "i wish we'd never tried to join play-offs and eliminate in the first round. we had to prepare young players for a new contender team."

This is the last time I'll reply, because I've been fairly straight forward with what I think. The young players all need to be developed more, and I would like to see that happen next year my moving Millsap and/or Jefferson. Enes had his time to learn from the veterans, got a feel for what the NBA is (which is a major key to his development) and knows what he needs to improve (which is clear looking at him from the first game of the year until now). I'm honestly quite surprised you got "cocky" out of my post, that wasn't my intention; but the fact remains that immersing Kanter in 20-30 minutes of action every night could destroy his confidence because he is underdeveloped. This season, to learn what the NBA is, and the offseason to improve his offense will make a world of difference. I think that in three years time, we'll know what we have - and we'll be happy with it.