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I was a big propoent of the Jazz making the playoffs providing the Jazz young guys playoff experience plus practice time which the team simply did not have all year long. Series 3-0 and lets assume a sweep. Was is it still good that the Jazz made the playoffs. I vote #2 below but before this series I would have picked #1. You guys vote?

1) Yes good to make playoffs as playoff experience and practice time was more helpful than a lottery pick.

2) Yes bc It exposed Jazz weaknesses (specfically Big AL) so maybe Jazz front office wont stand pat with Big AL and trade him

3) No, Playoffs were worthless and It would have been better to lose to the Suns by 1 point and keep the lottery pick as we lack talent

4) It doesnt matter as long as Corbin is head coach we are not going no where.

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I don't know that it's good or bad in itself, but I believe the Jazz culture of always playing to win is good. I would have liked to have had a pick, but not at the expense of giving it all we had. At the end of the day, I'd rather be swept out of the playoffs knowing we got as far as we could with what we had (coaching included) than to have a pick and feel like we shirked it to end the season.

Rewatch Favors performance tonight and try to say the playoffs weren't worth it.

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4 all the way....... I love the Big Al hatred, not one word about Millsap and his pathetic choke-job in the playoffs...... It's still all big Al's fault......

4. The coaching needs work. He took our end of season competitive team and went back to earlier combinations which never worked, Howard.

I think making the playoffs is a good thing. First, you must establish a winning culture. Teams that routinely accept losing become perennial losers, regardless of the talent they draft.

Second, I think it is critically important for this particular roster to be exposed for what it is, which is a bunch of nice pieces that don't fit together. I love so much about both Al and Paul, but I remain convinced that you cannot be an elite team with either guy in anything more than a sixth man role. Al makes too much money to be a bench guy, and both have too much pride to accept the demotion. In fact, Ty Corbin is so terrified that they will both revolt, that he has refused to start Favors ahead of either of them, despite the fact that he is CLEARLY the best player on the team now.

Additionally, our wing situation is a total shambles. Hayward is struggling with his shot, but he does enough other things to justify his playing time. Howard and Carrol are disasters and Raja has been exiled for insubordination. When I watch San Antonio spread four guys out along the 3-point line and just swing the ball from guy to guy until they get an open shot, it makes me want to wretch. How can they have at least six guys on the roster who can shoot the three, when we can't even find ONE!?

This team has now tasted the playoffs, but probably needs to take a step back in order to go forward. Al and Paul MUST be traded. Devin probably could be, as well, but I think he can work unless there is a clearly better option available (Rondo?, Dragic?, Nash?). We probably need one more backup big, and three to four perimeter scorers to SPACE THE %!*^ FLOOR. It's no wonder that Kanter and Favors keep getting stripped/blocked when teams know they can pack the paint with four guys and get away with it.

The Jazz were better than I expected this year (I had them pegged for 28 wins). Hopefully this absolute demolishing at the hands of the Spurs will convince the front office of just how far we have to go to be contender. Even if that is all we get out of this drubbing, making the playoffs will have been worth it.

and three to four perimeter scorers to SPACE THE %!*^ FLOOR.

this is wat i been thinking all year long, we dont have any good % perimeter shoters.

Thought/question: How would AK fair at the 4 alongside Favors? Not a lot of spacing shooting, but fantastic help defense between the two. If we shipped off Al AND Paul, could a rotation of Favors/Kanter/AK/Evans work?

QuantumMacgyver wrote:Rewatch Favors performance tonight and try to say the playoffs weren't worth it.

This is pretty much where I'm at. A while back when I saw that the Jazz had a legit shot at making the post season, I decided that's I would be happy about it as long as our young guys meaningful playing time during those games.

They did and it was fun to watch. It looks like Favors is already our best player and that is exciting.

It would have been nice to get that pick because I think that we could have gotten a pg like Marshall with it, but we still have a lot of options.

Al and Paul both still have value, even as much as most of us kill Al.

I can see the Rockets trading their pick for Al because Mchale likes him a lot and they need post scoring.

Also, while I prefer we move Al, I can see us moving Sap for either lotto pick or a PG we like.

I think they need to address these major things:

-PG who makes others better
-3pt shooters
-Move one of Al or Sap (prefer Al, but Sap has more value).

Last thing I'll say is I have been in the group that has been frustrated with Corbin, but I'll say he has done some good things.

To me it is obvious that these guys play hard for him.

Next is that while I have been off my couch yelling at the tv for Corbin to get Favors in, I do strongly believe that it forced him to improve in all areas.

I think about Howard and how there are countless people who say he hasn't improved his game in years. He hasn't worked on his weaknesses because he was handed the reigns so early. I think there is some wisdom in that.

I look at Demarcus Cousins and to be honest , I think the experience this year has been better for Favors than it was for Cousins. Favors was asked about this in an interview and he feels the same way.

So as much as I want to rag on Ty right now, i am just happy that our young guys get time in an important playoff game and it was fun to watch.

And as far as the GSW pick, it's still valuable. Does anyone really think Bogut will magically be healthy and that Curry isn't destined for issues with ankles? That's still a lotto pick next year. Not as deep sure but still, it's an asset.

Oh and the Spurs...um... They are freaking good. I can see them denying the Heat a title this year.

It's always good to watch your team competing vs the best.
KOC, Corbin, Miller right now know we need more things to be a great team than they thought before the playoffs.
There's a leaning curve, and Rookies need to know they are able to play in PO. Harris and Al needed to return to PO since various years ago.

We don't need more rookies (other than a good PG and he is not going to impact that team right now)

red4hf wrote:4 all the way....... I love the Big Al hatred, not one word about Millsap and his pathetic choke-job in the playoffs...... It's still all big Al's fault......

Two big differences:
1. Al is paid more and masquerades as a first option, he's supposed to play better.
2. Paul played great defense. Al doesn't.

Paul > Al any day of the week. Stop myopically looking at scoring numbers. Plus paul might be willing to come off the bench in the future, Al probably won't.

JDubJazz wrote:I think making the playoffs is a good thing. First, you must establish a winning culture. Teams that routinely accept losing become perennial losers, regardless of the talent they draft.

Second, I think it is critically important for this particular roster to be exposed for what it is, which is a bunch of nice pieces that don't fit together. I love so much about both Al and Paul, but I remain convinced that you cannot be an elite team with either guy in anything more than a sixth man role. Al makes too much money to be a bench guy, and both have too much pride to accept the demotion. In fact, Ty Corbin is so terrified that they will both revolt, that he has refused to start Favors ahead of either of them, despite the fact that he is CLEARLY the best player on the team now.

Additionally, our wing situation is a total shambles. Hayward is struggling with his shot, but he does enough other things to justify his playing time. Howard and Carrol are disasters and Raja has been exiled for insubordination. When I watch San Antonio spread four guys out along the 3-point line and just swing the ball from guy to guy until they get an open shot, it makes me want to wretch. How can they have at least six guys on the roster who can shoot the three, when we can't even find ONE!?

This team has now tasted the playoffs, but probably needs to take a step back in order to go forward. Al and Paul MUST be traded. Devin probably could be, as well, but I think he can work unless there is a clearly better option available (Rondo?, Dragic?, Nash?). We probably need one more backup big, and three to four perimeter scorers to SPACE THE %!*^ FLOOR. It's no wonder that Kanter and Favors keep getting stripped/blocked when teams know they can pack the paint with four guys and get away with it.

The Jazz were better than I expected this year (I had them pegged for 28 wins). Hopefully this absolute demolishing at the hands of the Spurs will convince the front office of just how far we have to go to be contender. Even if that is all we get out of this drubbing, making the playoffs will have been worth it.

Ditto.

HappyProle wrote:

JDubJazz wrote:I think making the playoffs is a good thing. First, you must establish a winning culture. Teams that routinely accept losing become perennial losers, regardless of the talent they draft.

Second, I think it is critically important for this particular roster to be exposed for what it is, which is a bunch of nice pieces that don't fit together. I love so much about both Al and Paul, but I remain convinced that you cannot be an elite team with either guy in anything more than a sixth man role. Al makes too much money to be a bench guy, and both have too much pride to accept the demotion. In fact, Ty Corbin is so terrified that they will both revolt, that he has refused to start Favors ahead of either of them, despite the fact that he is CLEARLY the best player on the team now.

Additionally, our wing situation is a total shambles. Hayward is struggling with his shot, but he does enough other things to justify his playing time. Howard and Carrol are disasters and Raja has been exiled for insubordination. When I watch San Antonio spread four guys out along the 3-point line and just swing the ball from guy to guy until they get an open shot, it makes me want to wretch. How can they have at least six guys on the roster who can shoot the three, when we can't even find ONE!?

This team has now tasted the playoffs, but probably needs to take a step back in order to go forward. Al and Paul MUST be traded. Devin probably could be, as well, but I think he can work unless there is a clearly better option available (Rondo?, Dragic?, Nash?). We probably need one more backup big, and three to four perimeter scorers to SPACE THE %!*^ FLOOR. It's no wonder that Kanter and Favors keep getting stripped/blocked when teams know they can pack the paint with four guys and get away with it.

The Jazz were better than I expected this year (I had them pegged for 28 wins). Hopefully this absolute demolishing at the hands of the Spurs will convince the front office of just how far we have to go to be contender. Even if that is all we get out of this drubbing, making the playoffs will have been worth it.

Ditto.

1st --- You don't have to accept losing to not make the playoffs. You said it yourself, we have to take a step back before gong forward, Al and Paul could have been traded this year to start that process early and we miss the playoffs and establish a winning culture by not tanking / trying to win. One year doesn't make or break a culture.

2nd --- So we have to give up draft picks in a great, deep draft because our front office can't see what we all can, which is that Al sucks. Got it. Seems like a good alternative would have been to trade al and/or paul earlier this year, keep the pick, have accomplished the end goal of "exposing" this roster. Also, not making the playoffs would make us look pretty bad too.

3rd ---- Our wing situation is terrible. This draft had wings in spades.

4th -- we're not getting rondo without more trade assets, something making the playoffs didn't help towards. Nash likely won't sign here. We could overpay dragic, but lots of other teams want him too. I think the draft is a better option, even if it there weren't point guards in this one (we get more assets, trade for one later).

While one year may not ruin a culture, I think two years poses a danger, especially with such a young team. I think it's very important that the younger players got a taste of the playoffs (even if it's a bitter one). Now they know how far it is they have to come.

We have players to trade, so we can make some movement this offseason.
It's not like we have to play with those players next season.

It's important to the young coreto have that experience, because we want to build around them.
Then, still don't know if we are going to have 8th pick if lottery benefit us. We don't know If KOC can take any pick in some kind of operation.

Hey, we have Favors, Kanter and Hayward, and none of those picks belonged to us.

I'd argue players innate personalities matter way more for team culture than record or playoffs. I think trading two career losers in Harris / Jefferson would have been far better for creating a good team culture than getting beat down in the playoffs. But that's just my opinion.