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Trade would be with Portland. Would we do that?

We would be choosing from Harrison Barnes, Gillchrist, Drummond, Beal, or Robinson and at 11 picking up Lillard or Marshall.

I think we have to get something for Millsap now. I am in the camp of trading one of the two and think Paul will get us the most value. I also think adding a veteran is a possibility but only if it doesn't affect our youth movement.

Next year I see us taking a step backwards and missing the playoffs with the loss of either Millsap or Jefferson. I think Millsap is a better chip to trade, but I think Jefferson helps our young bigs learn more low post moves. Neither Millsap or Jefferson is a perrenial allstar so neither are ultimately going to make us a contender. I am also in the camp of throwing lottery picks at the problem because lottery picks have the chance of becoming the next big time allstar, and neither Jefferson or Millsap is going to net us a perrenial young allstar.

I can see dropping Millsap for these two picks and hopefully drafting Drummond/Perry Jones/ or Robinson but would be extatic with any of the wings. I would love to then take the cap space we have and go after Gordon from Nola.

This trade would give us 2 picks this year in the lottery, and likely 2 next year in the lottery to go after the talent for the future.

Thoughts

I think Portland will probably make fun of us for this idea. As you know, teams (fan bases) value high draft picks like they're made of gold and platinum. There's just no way I can see this being realistic. Though I would do it.

U can get the 11th pick and thats about it. Picks carry alot of value in this league bc you can now lock these yoing talented players at a cheap price. Portland gets Millsap for one year than suddenly he is a free agent next year.

If we are trading Millsap and/or Jefferson we are going to a very talented over paid player or players with fairly long term contracts that a team no longer wants to pay any longer.

Can't see them giving up two picks + cash in a deep draft for one year of Millsap.

Post this idea in the Portland forum and see how they respond.

Maybe if GSW gets bumped down to 8, and we packaged that with Paul, Portland would consider, otherwise they laugh.

But we don't need two more lotto picks anyways. I would consider a Millsap for Matthews deal though.

finnegan wrote:Post this idea in the Portland forum and see how they respond.

We laughed at the idea!

Pretty sure Portland wants nothing to do with Millsap and his toxic contract.

hahaha wow. not only could you not get the #11 for Millsap but you want the #6 also?!?! wow.

I'm not sure the #11 is unrealistic, but yeah.

Shem wrote:

finnegan wrote:Post this idea in the Portland forum and see how they respond.

We laughed at the idea!

Blackham occasionally comes up with pretty reasonable trades, but this one is just horrific for Portland. Occasionally a team can get pretty good players in a trade for next to nothing (Marcus Camby, etc.). Those trades generally go from one team who has made a decision to rebuild to another team who is playoff caliber, but the absolute last thing that the team in rebuild mode is going to do is give up draft picks for a veteran player. It just makes zero sense to take on a high paid player during rebuild mode.

I appreciate the compliment, but I just assume that what "experts" are saying about Portland is true... and that is that they are not trying to "go young." The reasoning is they went young recently and got 4 studs: Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, Nic Batum, and Aldridge. Now after toiling for a few years and being decimated by injuries they went out and overpaid a SG (Wes Matthews) who they would prefer to dump and they don't want to go young in the prime of the two remaining young studs in Batum and Aldridge.

I could also see them going after Eric Gordon too and if they do that and convince Nola to do that, then Matthews will come even cheaper than at current. I think Wes at this point could be had for a Raja Bell type expiring if they get their man first.

As far as Harris for #11.... this is the team that traded Andre Miller for Ray Felton. Let that sink in... Also this is the team that took Sam Bowie over Jordan cause they had Drexler, who traded down to 6 with us and passed on Chris Paul and DWill because they had Telfair and Rodriguez. They might, just might bypass an unproven slow and unathletic PG from NC in Marshall and a tweener PG from Weber State for a former Allstar in Devin Harris.

So basically I think it is within the realm of possibility that they are willing to flip a #11 for Harris.

After this rundown of Portland can you see why I would think they might be open to the swap?

HappyProle wrote:Pretty sure Portland wants nothing to do with Millsap and his toxic contract.

Lol good one

blackham9258 wrote:I appreciate the compliment, but I just assume that what "experts" are saying about Portland is true... and that is that they are not trying to "go young." The reasoning is they went young recently and got 4 studs: Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, Nic Batum, and Aldridge. Now after toiling for a few years and being decimated by injuries they went out and overpaid a SG (Wes Matthews) who they would prefer to dump and they don't want to go young in the prime of the two remaining young studs in Batum and Aldridge.

I could also see them going after Eric Gordon too and if they do that and convince Nola to do that, then Matthews will come even cheaper than at current. I think Wes at this point could be had for a Raja Bell type expiring if they get their man first.

As far as Harris for #11.... this is the team that traded Andre Miller for Ray Felton. Let that sink in... Also this is the team that took Sam Bowie over Jordan cause they had Drexler, who traded down to 6 with us and passed on Chris Paul and DWill because they had Telfair and Rodriguez. They might, just might bypass an unproven slow and unathletic PG from NC in Marshall and a tweener PG from Weber State for a former Allstar in Devin Harris.

So basically I think it is within the realm of possibility that they are willing to flip a #11 for Harris.

After this rundown of Portland can you see why I would think they might be open to the swap?

Silly Jazz fan's pretending that the Blazers only make bad decisions .

How many championships have the Jazz won with their "superior" management style?

I swear its like every few days some Jazz fan has some crap to say about the Blazers its really quite ridiculous.

While the Blazers have made some poor decisions EVERY FRANCHISE has made poor decisions.

In all fairness, all of those mistakes were made by previous GMs who have since been rightly dismissed. The current Blazers GM, on the other hand, has a great reputation for making quality moves.

HappyProle wrote:In all fairness, all of those mistakes were made by previous GMs who have since been rightly dismissed. The current Blazers GM, on the other hand, has a great reputation for making quality moves.

Casper the Friendly Ghost?

There is no current Blazers GM... is that what you are saying. Sure I took a shot at Portland... I will always be bitter about trying to steal our fan favorites or outright stealing them... but in the end I think Harris is a good PG (top half of the league) and unless Portland is convinced that another young PG is the next coming of Nash... I think it is wise to pick up Harris and move on to other signings.

Goran Dragic is a possible candidate for a huge payday based on a small sample size. If Portland offers him $8M per or more to get him and then he turns into the Dragic of old or Beno Udrih. Then they will have two woefully overpaid players for their position. Smarter to go with short term contracts on proven players like they have been doing: Felton, Miller and now Harris than invest in an unproven Dragic.

That or trade for a better proven starter around the league.

I just feel Devin for #11 is very reasonable.

Bat wrote:But we don't need two more lotto picks anyways.

Right, we need to save those two roster spots for Raja and CJ.

Also, I think we can all agree that our 2 sophs and 2 rooks are guaranteed to all become all-stars. No need to add more talent, because that would probably just confuse the coaches.

Millsap + Harris for #11 Pick + Matthews? Portland gets Harris who they seemed to have interest in the past, he's an expiring contract, much better than Felton. Meanwhile the Jazz get Matthews who helps perimeter shooting, and they have more cap space to get another PG out there or draft one.

Not sure if this is far fetched or not.

UtahJazzFan88 wrote:Millsap + Harris for #11 Pick + Matthews? Portland gets Harris who they seemed to have interest in the past, he's an expiring contract, much better than Felton. Meanwhile the Jazz get Matthews who helps perimeter shooting, and they have more cap space to get another PG out there or draft one.

Not sure if this is far fetched or not.

I guarantee there is no interest in Harris. His value has gone down a lot in the last few seasons.