Who will be more successfull?

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Who will be more successfull? 

Post#1 » by Reckless » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:36 am

Now we've seen each player in a season and summer league games, who will have more success in the NBA: Alec Burks or Enes Kanter?
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Post#2 » by nghedman » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:21 pm

I think Kanter is going to be a third pick bust. They should trade him now while they still can
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Re: Who will be more successfull? 

Post#3 » by eLo » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:46 pm

nghedman wrote:I think Kanter is going to be a third pick bust. They should trade him now while they still can
another who watch t much summer league :P Kanter will be a beast, it was easy to find out since last year euro, i'm betting not only that he will be better pro then Alec( which i think will be very good baller in type of latrel spreewel)but better than Fav
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Re: Who will be more successfull? 

Post#4 » by RookieJazz » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:48 pm

Kanter will prove he was worth 1st overall in 2011 draft.
I can see Cavs and Sota fans regretting for their FOs had passed on him.
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Re: Who will be more successfull? 

Post#5 » by The59Sound » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:10 pm

nghedman wrote:I think Kanter is going to be a third pick bust. They should trade him now while they still can


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Post#6 » by Litany » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:11 pm

RookieJazz wrote:Kanter will prove he was worth 1st overall in 2011 draft.
I can see Cavs and Sota fans regretting for their FOs had passed on him.
(I'm not Turkish).


Minnesota, maybe, but no way the Cavs regret anything.

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Re: Who will be more successfull? 

Post#7 » by Blackie » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:56 pm

I always liked Burks. I was glad to hear at summer league that Coach Corbin is going to use Burks at the PG. He slashes to the basket and either makes it or gets fouled and he is a very good free thow shooter. That is what he did in college. He has a lot of upside.
Kanter has a big body and is a good rebounder but for those who think he can replace Big Al, no way. Coach Sloan says it takes longer for a big man to develop so I will give him a chance. He can't jump very high so he gets some of his shots blocked and misses a dunk occassionaly, but he should get better. He can shoot from 15 feet and makes foul shots. I just don't see his u[side as high as Burks.
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Post#8 » by carrottop12 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:47 pm

Hey blackie.
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Post#9 » by el_turco_1987 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:37 pm

Well thats an easy one. For now Burks will be more successful because guards usually needs less time than Big-Men to adjust to the NBA but in two years definitely Kanter...
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Post#10 » by HolyToledo » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:33 pm

I wish both Burks and Kanter were both taller and then they would be both allstars. Both will be good NBA players and starters but neither will be an Allstar. I think Kanter will be a perceived better player simply bc he plays center to which there is a shortage.

In any case, neither one will be as good as Hayward, and Favors will be the best Big in the league within 3 years (better than Dwight Howard).

Jazz in good shape but do need another superstar player to go along with Favors but no one on the current roster fills that need.

We need to trade 2/3 of our young players for a superstar which can be really hard to find especially when you are a GM in Utah.
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Post#11 » by reapaman » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:23 am

HolyToledo wrote:I wish both Burks and Kanter were both taller and then they would be both allstars. Both will be good NBA players and starters but neither will be an Allstar. I think Kanter will be a perceived better player simply bc he plays center to which there is a shortage.

In any case, neither one will be as good as Hayward, and Favors will be the best Big in the league within 3 years (better than Dwight Howard).


RookieJazz wrote:Kanter will prove he was worth 1st overall in 2011 draft.


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Re: Who will be more successfull? 

Post#12 » by Neon Black » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:54 am

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nghedman wrote:I think Kanter is going to be a third pick bust. They should trade him now while they still can


Patience, my friend.



Exactly, I'm amazed how quickly people write off Kanter still. It makes me wonder if we're watching the same player. He's still incredibly young, yet has some breathtaking post moves and he's clearly not scared of anyone. From the sound of it, he has a very strong work ethic, too...don't disregard that. People just need to realize that just he could take 4 or 5 years before we know how good he's going to be. I wouldn't write off all-star potential as quickly as Toledo did, but I'll also admit he might just as easily turn out to be a disappointment.

Burks, on the other hand, is a sure thing to me. Kid is going to be an all-star, I really think so. This is kind of a silly argument, I know - but Burks averaged the same amount of minutes and eerily similar stats to one Mr. Kobe Bryant during his rookie year. My point IS NOT that he's going to be as good as Kobe. My point is that it's ridiculous to write Alec off so soon.

I'm amazed by his fearlessness and his ability to get to the line almost at will, and his shot looks a lot better than advertised, too. Dude tore up the sumer league, and he's a potentially legit triple-threat type player. I honestly believe his ceiling is the level right beneath the Kobe's and Wade's of the world...to me, his peak is around that of a James Harden or Kevin Martin.

So I think they both have great potential, but Burks is closer to being ready and a lot safer to place a bet on (guards usually are).
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Re: Who will be more successfull? 

Post#13 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:21 am

Two words: Andrew Bynum. (well, more words, just look at how long it took he and Jermaine O'neal to develop).
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Post#14 » by Jazzfan12 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:41 am

babyjax13 wrote:Two words: Andrew Bynum. (well, more words, just look at how long it took he and Jermaine O'neal to develop).


I think it's very fair to question if Kanter has close to the physical talent of Bynum or O'Neal.
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Post#15 » by reapaman » Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:29 am

I think Burks has lots of potential but the main problem I have associated with him is this is the wrong team for him. The difference from him being more like Brandon Roy than O.J. Mayo is how much he gets to dominate the ball. He needs to be one of the top focuses of the offense and I think Utah wants to go the more "complete team route" and eventually add a traditional pg. More players that need the ball one way or another greatly takes away from Burks stregnths. On the bobcats I could see him eventually being a premier sg in this league but I think on Utah, he probably gets traded before his rookie contract is up.

Kanter I just ...... I just don't see it at all, think he is way rawer than bynum and o'neal were, and wasn't impressed with what I saw last year but I will leave it at that for now.
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Re: Who will be more successfull? 

Post#16 » by Neon Black » Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:35 am

Jazzfan12 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Two words: Andrew Bynum. (well, more words, just look at how long it took he and Jermaine O'neal to develop).


I think it's very fair to question if Kanter has close to the physical talent of Bynum or O'Neal.


He's not as athletic in the traditional sense of the work, but he already skill sets and abilities that neither of those players have shown. There's more than one way to be good.
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Re: Who will be more successfull? 

Post#17 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:55 am

Jazzfan12 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Two words: Andrew Bynum. (well, more words, just look at how long it took he and Jermaine O'neal to develop).


I think it's very fair to question if Kanter has close to the physical talent of Bynum or O'Neal.


Fair enough. Bynum had a long way to go with his body, though, when he came into the league. For a 19 year old to be in the shape Enes is....that's pretty amazing.....But, if Luis Scola can be as deadly as he is, Kanter can certainly (at worst) carve out a similar niche. Luis Scola with rebounding....that's a scary thought.
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Re: Who will be more successfull? 

Post#18 » by RollinBolin » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:09 am

I personally think Burks will end up being the better pro(but i think Kanter will be good). Burks just has a knack for getting into the lane. His finishing could use some work, but he already seems to be good at getting to the line. Kanter for being a raw 19 year old has pretty good footwork, not to mention hes pretty well filled out for that age. He could be a quality 14 and 10 guy.
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Re: Who will be more successfull? 

Post#19 » by nghedman » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:28 pm

reapaman wrote:I think Burks has lots of potential but the main problem I have associated with him is this is the wrong team for him. The difference from him being more like Brandon Roy than O.J. Mayo is how much he gets to dominate the ball. He needs to be one of the top focuses of the offense and I think Utah wants to go the more "complete team route" and eventually add a traditional pg. More players that need the ball one way or another greatly takes away from Burks stregnths. On the bobcats I could see him eventually being a premier sg in this league but I think on Utah, he probably gets traded before his rookie contract is up.


Interesting point. Maybe you are on to something here and that is the same reason the Jazz are looking to use him at point this next year.


reapaman wrote: Kanter I just ...... I just don't see it at all, think he is way rawer than bynum and o'neal were, and wasn't impressed with what I saw last year but I will leave it at that for now.


I also agree with this too. He is a project that is for sure but is it worth it?

Remember that tall center in Portland that played overseas before Portland got him? Then he was an allstar for a couple years and fell off quickly and left the league. My opinion it wasn't worth it to Portland. Projects just are not worth the money and time etc. We spent what ....5 years on CJ Miles how many others could have had an oportunity in five years? Close call. but anyways I just wasn't impressed with Kanter last year, to raw, talent yes, but not enough! He doens't know the game. I know High School players that know the game better than him. (If they were only as tall as him) heheh I have to admit I haven't seen a single summer league game :( so my opinion is all based on his league play.
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Re: Who will be more successfull? 

Post#20 » by idajazz » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:14 pm

I agree with Toledo, Kanter will be perceived to be better because of the GLARING lack of centers in the league. Burks on the other hand is in the league during a time when there are a bunch of really good wing players.

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