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In response to my sarcastic post on the Jazz bidding on the Birdman, someone mentioned that Marvin Williams was tough.

That's true, but what I like best about him is he is articulate, intelligent, thoughtful and he works on his degree in the off season.

Regardless of the numbers he puts up for the Jazz, he will be good for the team.

That's funny, I was thinking the most promising thing about Williams is his intelligence, something you have to have on the floor to be successful. Hopefully this adds to our team.

retiredcoach wrote:In response to my sarcastic post on the Jazz bidding on the Birdman, someone mentioned that Marvin Williams was tough.

That's true, but what I like best about him is he is articulate, intelligent, thoughtful and he works on his degree in the off season.

Regardless of the numbers he puts up for the Jazz, he will be good for the team.

That post was sarcasm?!

Isn't it surprising and refreshing when a black man is articulate?

Neon Black wrote:Isn't it surprising and refreshing when a black man is articulate?

Cmon bro, thats out of line.

RC, out of curiosity, why does it bother you when multi-millionaire athletes don't work toward their Sports Medicine diplomas in the off-season?

man, how many accounts does HT have on this board?

by The59Sound on Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:51 pm
RC, out of curiosity, why does it bother you when multi-millionaire athletes don't work toward their Sports Medicine diplomas in the off-season?

When 60% of NBA players have to declare bankruptcy 5 years after retirement, it sounds like they're going to need a job!

Haha. I'd suggest more intensive financial management courses through the NBA, but fair enough (though I think the Ronnie Prices of the world are in the most danger, considering their contracts as compared to someone like Marvin Williams).

by StocktonShorts on Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:35 pm

retiredcoach wrote:In response to my sarcastic post on the Jazz bidding on the Birdman, someone mentioned that Marvin Williams was tough.

That's true, but what I like best about him is he is articulate, intelligent, thoughtful and he works on his degree in the off season.

Regardless of the numbers he puts up for the Jazz, he will be good for the team.

That post was sarcasm?!

Rookie!

by The59Sound on Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:28 pm
Haha. I'd suggest more intensive financial management courses through the NBA, but fair enough (though I think the Ronnie Prices of the world are in the most danger, considering their contracts as compared to someone like Marvin Williams).

The NBA already has those courses. Unfortunately, most players' entourages are making too much noise for them to hear!

what i like best about marvin williams is that he is already an upgrade from both howard and miles.

Jazzball wrote:

Neon Black wrote:Isn't it surprising and refreshing when a black man is articulate?

Cmon bro, thats out of line.

I this you misunderstood my tone (an easy thing to do online). I wasn't trying to be funny.

I'm probably out of line implying the OP meant anything like this, I really don't know. It's just odd that whenever an intelligent, thoughtful black person says something that someone has to comment on how articulate they are. I'd be lying if I said I've never done it, too.

I like that he brings alot of versatility to the Jazz's lineups, has been willing to accept a role that he was too talented to get stuck with in both college and pros to play winning basketball and that he allows a team to be big and physical when he plays SF or small and physical when he plays PF.

I know he has caught alot of heat for not being Chris Paul or Deron Williams great but he couldn't have been used more poorly for his personal success and really hasn't complained about it. When the Hawks went to isolation basketball without a PG or any real offensive system in place he became the obvious odd man out because he isn't an isolation player.

He is meant to play in a movement based back door cutting system, basically his game is suited to Sloan ball. He should be able to fit right in and replace Howard and Miles at SF wonderfully while also being able to fit next to Jefferson quite well if they go small and Millsap isn't in.

Initially i didnt like the trade but now i think its a really good move. I wanted an Iggy etc but if given a chance he can be productive

I agree with J Millot. ATL did not use his potential and did not do much for him to blossom after his first year in the league.
Yet, he is a decent rebounder, has proven to be a good defender (sery against the Cavs or first against BOS showed what he could do against LeBron or Pierce). He will have to show up in shape (which he did not do the last two seasons) but i am sure that this change of scenery will be benefitial for both Marvin and UTA. Marvin is a good guy and will work well with Ty.
ATL might have benefited if they make good use of the cap releif that they gain with expiring contracts in the Marvin and JJ trades.

JMillott wrote:
He is meant to play in a movement based back door cutting system, basically his game is suited to Sloan ball.

It's really too bad the jazz have moved away from Sloan ball and replaced it with Big Al ball.

As a Hawks fan, I will just say go and look at Marvin Williams splits for the 2007-2008 year (His third in the league). Pay extra close attention to his first 3 months of the season:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/392 ... e=Fielding

See that drop in shot attempts and free throw attempts in the 2nd half of the year? What you are looking at is the point when Joe Johnson started sulking because they were going to Marvin and Williams was regulated to "stand over there and take jumpers when Joe feels like passing you the ball." and thats what he stayed the rest of his career here. He took it in stride, developed a 3, but still. when the offense was run through him, he showed what he could be

THAT point is where Marvin's career was cut off at the knees by Mike Woodson and Joe Johnson.

I honestly believe the is going to be an amazing player if given a chance. He was our best perimeter defender in my opinion and I think a fresh start is what he needs. Good luck.

JMillott wrote:I

he couldn't have been used more poorly for his personal success and really hasn't complained about it. When the Hawks went to isolation basketball without a PG or any real offensive system in place he became the obvious odd man out because he isn't an isolation player.

He is meant to play in a movement based back door cutting system, basically his game is suited to Sloan ball. .

Wise observation. No doubt Marvin was not used properly in Atlanta. Also, Atlanta had Joe Johnson at SF, SG....who shot as much as possble and was their leading scorer.

Marvin was awesome in college......I think he has more game than he showed in Atlanta....I want him to produce for us.

Rip2137 wrote:As a Hawks fan, I will just say go and look at Marvin Williams splits for the 2007-2008 year (His third in the league). Pay extra close attention to his first 3 months of the season:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/392 ... e=Fielding

See that drop in shot attempts and free throw attempts in the 2nd half of the year? What you are looking at is the point when Joe Johnson started sulking because they were going to Marvin and Williams was regulated to "stand over there and take jumpers when Joe feels like passing you the ball." and thats what he stayed the rest of his career here. He took it in stride, developed a 3, but still. when the offense was run through him, he showed what he could be

THAT point is where Marvin's career was cut off at the knees by Mike Woodson and Joe Johnson.

I honestly believe the is going to be an amazing player if given a chance. He was our best perimeter defender in my opinion and I think a fresh start is what he needs. Good luck.

Thanks for the insight. All of us Jazz fans want to believe that Marv will have a better opportunity with the Jazz, and it is nice to see a Hawks fan and his stats to prop up that hope. If Marv can avg 17pts 6 rb per night Jazz fans will absolutely love him.