Portland game. Kanter and Favors each get 21 points.

[Hoops Addict]

http://www.nba.com/video/games/jazz/201 ... index.html

Kanter had his highest scoring game ever.....21 points, 12 reb, 1 st, 1 block.

All the Kanter haters......ha!....enjoy the video.


http://www.nba.com/games/20121025/PORUT ... GIboxscore



Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors scored 21 points apiece to help the Utah Jazz beat the Portland Trail Blazers 97-91 on Thursday night.
Kanter and Favors combined for 21 in the fourth quarter for Utah, which lost 120-114 to Portland on Monday. Kanter also finished with 12 rebounds.
The preseason game was tight throughout until Kanter and Favors took over midway through the fourth.
"We both played good," Favors said. "We came out and played hard and gave a lot of energy."

[seejaydeja]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8mj3FmT8O4&feature=youtu.be&a[/youtube]

[reapaman]

How does that look that much different than these?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YzbhAQGPqk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFkrO35C5F4[/youtube]

They look the virtually same, little improvement so far until they prove otherwise. ITS PRE-SEASON!!!!

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[erudite23]

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Please do us all, and yourself, a favor... remember not to talk with your mouth full. Especially when it's full of crow.

Yes. Id last year they were averaging 4 points and 4 rebounds.......then it is clearly an improvement.

Seeing Kanter back down Pryzbilla, shoving him back like a little brother, showing the ability to push his way to an easy 8 foot jumper every time is an improvement.

Anyone who does not agree is a troll or Laker fan probably.

[spree2kawhi]

OT but somewhat urgent... do I take...

1) Kanter over Drummond and
2) Favors over Tristan Thompson

for my fantasy team? Thanks for your input.

[Hoops Addict]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8mj3FmT8O4&feature=youtu.be&a[/youtube]

That video is different than the typical NBA.com and espn.com video. It was taken from a camera on the floor. NICE

[erudite23]

OT but somewhat urgent... do I take...

1) Kanter over Drummond and
2) Favors over Tristan Thompson

for my fantasy team? Thanks for your input.

I would Drummond and Thompson over both of our bigs due to simple playing time. Kanter and Favors won't be getting as much right away. If this is a keeper league, I take Kanter and Favors over either of them.

By the end of the season, though, both Kanter and Favors will likely be getting a lot more PT.

[Neon Black]

You have to be trying really hard not to get aroused by what Favors and Kanter did last night (against quality starters). Clearly, they've shown improvement.

I'll concede the point that it IS preseason, and these guys still have a lot to prove. It may not be dinnertime for you haters yet, but the crow soup is on the stove.

What I'm really upset about is that reapaman made me listen to Doris Burke.

[StocktonShorts]

It's hard not to get excited, but it's still preseason basketball. I

[SoCalJazzFan]

I'll admit, I was one of those bagging on Kanter at the end of last year. He was a great rebounder, but I doubted if he would have much other impact given the fact his feet were nailed to the floor and he seemed to have only one inside move.

However, he is much improved, in my opinion, this year. From Reapman's vid above, nearly every offensive play Kanter makes is below the rim- way below the rim for a guy nearly 7 ft tall! This year he is playing somewhat above the rim, but for sure has more elevation. He also is quicker and has more offensive moves.

It's preseason, but I just might have a black feather stuck in my teeth.

Nice to see Favors have a decent game. Hopefully, the trend continues.

[falcon107]

Everyone can have different ideas about preseason games. But what I know is that stats mean something, maybe not everything, but still they mean something. After losing straight 8 games, stats show that Lakers is prone to injury, and their reserves are no good. But stats do not show how they will to at the regular season for sure.
But stats at least showed that Utah has a good team (both starting 5 and reserves) and can play head to head with any team. Other than that we will be talking about speculations and expectations.
I expect that Kanter will show why he was chosen 3rd at the draft.
He may be the best Turkish player ever, and he will show that this year.
I think before the allstar break, Jefferson will let go, and Milsap will stay, and if Utah can keep both Favors and Kanter, Utah can turn into a contender team in two or three years. This is what I expect, and what I wish.
Anyway we will see. There isn't any single game can be won without playing, and there isn't a star made with expectations.
As there are few days left to the start of the season, we won't need to wait too long.

[reapaman]

Yea Doris Burke is aweful, I apologize for that.

But all I heard pre-draft was "Well Kanter a good shooter now just look at what he did in euro thingy". Or "Kanter post moves are advanced right now". Then what happened in the NBA regular season. His jump shooting number were AWEFUL and most of his post moves were blocked because they were too slow and not refined. The only reason he wasn't 30% ish from the field was due to put backs, layups and dunks (I'm not gonna bring up the stats again). Now I have to hear, "Look what he's doing during the preason, OH MY GOD HE LOOKS SO GREAT, ITS LIKE WATCHING THE COMING OF CHRIST" And I'm honestly looking at it and HE LOOKS THE SAME, More fit sure but not much different. I seen great pre-seasons then little improvement in regular season about 1000 times so I'm not buying it. I mean he's over here dunking on cole aldridge and out muscling przbilla so now lets give him starter minutes.

Then we have Favors who coming off a post season so great he shouldve been crowned the defensive player of the year just off of that. Lets not mention he only shot 41%, only averaged 1.5 blocks, shot 58% from FT, and got into early foul trouble twice. No that doesn't matter at all. He looks the same as in the playoffs, nothing different. Not impressive yet.

This happens every year, every single year. I even remeber ronnie brewer one year coming into camp quicker and knocking down lots of 3 pointers in the pre-season and everyone got excited. Then regular season rolled around, same stuff and that shot didn't go in much more than the previous season. BTW I'm still waiting for an accurate point. Most ofwhat I hear is BS that wasn't well thought out and I should buy into just beacuse. Then you say I'm be unreasonable when I say it makes no since and say my points make no season despite me giving many examples and you giving zero examples to prove me wrong.

Ok end of rant. You may continue to get a hard on about pre-season performances.

[Inigo Montoya]

I think you are missing the point. Look, the Jazz scouted this guy (Kanter) and it was obvious he is NEVER going to be a leaper or and above the rim player. But you know what? Kevin Love is not an above the rim player either, or Carlos Boozer, or many others, and they are still effective scorers and rebounders.

The Jazz knew what they are getting and they thought his style of play can work in the NBA. So the fact that you look at the Nike Hoop Summit highlights and\or whatever else you can find, then compare it to what you saw in this preseason and it looks the same to you - well, congratulations for having eyes.

The Jazz looked at him and saw a very strong player who likes to play physical, a very good rebounder with good shooting mechanics, and thought that with his size, skills and style of play he can be a good NBA player and worthy of the 3rd pick of that draft if they could help him develop his skills and help him to adjust his play to the NBA. This is how he is going to play in the NBA. He will refine his skills, learn what works and when to use it, and what doesn't work, add post moves, increase his range and accuracy, but this is how he will play his entire career. He is only 20.

It is perfectly fine to take what he does in the preseason with a healthy dose of skepticism because it still doesn't fully count. But he DID play last night against legitimate NBA players and starters. And besides, what course of events will cause you not to doubt him? If he had a poor preseason you would say 'I told you so' but now that he had a very good showing you are still not sold. So what does he have to do and show in order to convince you? I don't say we need to start him now but let's give credit when credit is due. And btw, out-muscling the opposition is an NBA skill, and he did it as a 19 year old rookie.

[reapaman]

Yea but I loved Kevin Love (pun intended) coming out of college. All I saw was that this guy can actually shoot with great form and he had crisp solid post moves. The same thing with sullinger, I think he's going to be really good too. Throw a guy like Marc Gadol in this. I don't care about that other stuff, they were all highly skilled coming into the league. Kanter wasn't. He only played basketball for like 5 years? And it shows. Like I have been saying I've been watching the league for over 2 decades. I have never seen anyone come into the league and was able to develop a new offensive skill that they weren't doing well on the previous level in less than 5 years. Many people have said I was wrong but have yet to name one person that prove my statement wrong yet I can name you 100 + players that support my argument which I have done. The closest is Andrew Bynum closest but even he was getting by on mostly athletic ability (until recently) that Kanter doesn't have even with the work he's done on his body. Kanter is just too raw and most of the shots he makes is put backs, dunks and lay ups. Even the post moves on that video are too slow and not very refined. Looks the same as last year pretty much.

As for his defense, you see tons of post about his defense and most of it is about his low post defense. Who Cares. Only a few select guys really play like that and most of the guys you gotta defend off the dribble. His pick and roll defense is also highly overrated which I have showed many examples he played it wrong when other said he did it right then they did the opposite with Al Jefferson.

When Favors was playing bad in the pre-season, I said "Its Pre-season" while others were saying differently then I proceeded to talk about how overrated his playoff performance was. I will always say its pre-season. If he does this during the regular season on a consistent basis (his stats don't have to be that high since he probley won't get that many minutes but he has to play like this) then I will bow down and say Kanter is king. Until then I will keep my opinion.

[StocktonShorts]

If he does this during the regular season on a consistent basis (his stats don't have to be that high since he probley won't get that many minutes but he has to play like this) then I will bow down and say Kanter is king. Until then I will keep my opinion.

Could we precisely define the criteria for you to bow down and say Kanter is king?

[Neon Black]

I'm confused...are you arguing that Kanter just won't develop into a star-caliber player or simply that he's going to take a while? If it's the latter, then what are we arguing about? Nobody thinks he's going to be Dwight Howard or Kevin Love this year. Why do you get upset when fans of a team are excited when that team's players show great signs of potential and improvement?

Either way, let's look at your arguments:

most of the shots he makes is put backs, dunks and lay ups.

May have something to do with him playing in the post, but what do I know? You could say the same thing about Dwight Howard. Except Kanter has an amazingly soft touch on his free throws and jumpers. He didn't make a lot of jumpers because he didn't TAKE them in the first place.

From DraftExpress (congratulations on having watched basketball for 20 years...but I'll give Jonathan Givony the edge in talent scouting):

"The mechanics he shows on his jumper leave plenty of room for optimism. He has a quick release, a nice arch and a solid follow through. He's already shown the ability to consistently hit shots in the 18-20 foot range and should continue to improve this part of his game as his career progresses."

That was two years ago.

You continue to pound the same few points, drawing attention to perceived weaknesses while ignoring the glaring and rare strengths of Kanter's game.

His rebounding rate is off the charts. He rebounds better per 36m than Dwight, Bynum, Garnett, Horford, Favors, and more. It doesn't matter how much he puts the ball in the hoop, you criticize the way it "looks". Perception and aesthetics. That's what you're concerned about, yet one thing remains constant: You give Kanter minutes, Kanter scores. That just gets more and more true as his confidence soars.

I never thought Brewer would develop a 3pt shot. I didn't think Favor's playoff performance was that outstanding, but I was happy about the improvement he showed. But as far as Kanter goes, he's going to show everyone he's the real deal this season. I will be surprised if he does not.

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