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... loosing his job????

I simply dont get why youths are not playing. Fav and Enes would probably start in like 90% of team in current NBA, and whats up with Burks? on draft day i was not sold on picking him but last year prove me wrong, he was terrific, now he is not playing at all, those few minutes on floor once in 3/4 games is some kind of joke. So this is my question to all of you guys who maybe know subject better, do we have some trading scenario up to come or is corbin so afraid of loosing his job and thats why he is playing mostly veterans.

eLo wrote:... loosing his job????

I simply dont get why youths are not playing. Fav and Enes would probably start in like 90% of team in current NBA.

Corbin and the broadcasters have gone over this... they need to become more consistent on both ends. They're playing great in spurts right now and Favors is more than holding his own in the 4th quarter but all young players have to prove their reliability first. These two guys have great potential, but they wouldn't start in any but the most frontcourt-depleted teams. Only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Golden State, Charlotte and maybe Toronto.

Personally, I hate rebuilding. I'd like teams to always do everything they can to win immediately, because I believe that 1. it's the spirit of the game and 2. if you start winning consistently, things will work out in the long run. Look at San Antonio. Every year they win a ton of games and still manage to build solid teams with low draft picks and free agency. If we can win now (I think we definitely have the pieces to), we can also be afforded the same luxury. That's when we should talk about playing young guys more.

Well its easy. Corbins job is to use whatever players he has for any game to try to win that game. It is on the front office to decide what players he has. If the Jazz want young guys to play then trade the vets. The young guys show moments of promise but 30 mins a night they are just not the best option. I dont blame Corbin for playing to win, thats his job.

Now if what you are saying is that you think trading Jefferson and Millsap and starting Favors and Kanter would make us a better team on Friday then that is something else. Its clear that Corbin does not feel that way. I also think playing Millsap and Jefferson gives us a better chance to win then not playing them.

The FO said they wanna win now and brought in more vets to accomplish that. So thats what Corbin is going to do, play vets and try to win otherwise he's likely out the door. If he plays kanter, favors ect.. major minutes and starts losing then that doesn't look good for him. If the FO had a problem with his coaching style, you would be aware of it just like we pretty much know when a coach is going to be fired (not exactly when but we know its coming) and not suprised when it happens.

There is no indication that they are unhappy with his coaching, they likely love it since we are winning as they wanted.

reapaman wrote:If the FO had a problem with his coaching style, you would be aware of it just like we pretty much know when a coach is going to be fired

When was the last time the Millers fired a coach?

(This is a trick question)

I think Raja Bell confrontation has a lot to do with this. Corbin doesnt want to loose the team by having Big Al, Millsap, Foye and Mo and other veterans on a contract year get upset with him causing problems bc they want to get paid at the end of the year. As such, the youngsters under contract are likely to cause less of a stir and are willing to justify it as they are learning.

Im not a Sloan fan, but I guarantee Jerry Sloan would be starting Favors when he was fully healthy. Sloan simply played his best players and didnt care about egos. Corbin does not want a Bell situation or a Dwill/Sloan situation to occur.

I give Corbin credit as it is a tough thing he is dealing with and our front office put him in this position. Now that Millsap and Big Al are playing well what does the front office do now. Im assuming they are afraid of confrontation and simply play out the season and let Millsap walk in the off season and likely re-sign Big Al.

I don't understand the outpoor of negative posts lately. I mean, I understand them completely when we are playing awful and losing or even winning but still playing awful. However, this team has looked great over the last 5 or so games. Everyone realizes that we just beat the Spurs right? Arguably the best team in the league. We beat them, and it wasn't like we got lucky, or the Spurs were injured. We legitimately beat them!

Can't we all just hold off on the negativity and embrace the fact that this squad is playing well until we are losing and playing like crud.

That being said, did anyone catch Mo's comments after the game? When asked about what coach drew up in the huddle before his buzzer beat, I thought I heard Mo say something like "He didn't draw anything up. Just said take the ball and make something happen". Did anyone else catch that? If that's true then Corbin might be just about the worst coach I can imagine. Worse even then Whoopi. You have the final possession in a tied game against the best team in the league AND bitter rival... and you just say "make something happen". I sure hope I heard him wrong.

We have a deep bench. The young players are getting good experience. Al has tought Kanter plenty and he has really improved. Favors is also getting better. Burks who sits on the edge of the bench is who I worry about. He has great potential. However, I would trade him for Evans from Sacramento if given the chance. I like Evans a little bit more. Burks is doing no one any good sitting on the edge of the bench. Coach has to do what he thinks is best for the team.

QuantumMacgyver wrote:
Can't we all just hold off on the negativity and embrace the fact that this squad is playing well until we are losing and playing like crud.

That being said, did anyone catch Mo's comments after the game? When asked about what coach drew up in the huddle before his buzzer beat, I thought I heard Mo say something like "He didn't draw anything up. Just said take the ball and make something happen". Did anyone else catch that? If that's true then Corbin might be just about the worst coach I can imagine. Worse even then Whoopi. You have the final possession in a tied game against the best team in the league AND bitter rival... and you just say "make something happen". I sure hope I heard him wrong.

You couldn't even follow your own advice for one post!

I feel like we're winning in spite of stupid moves Corbin is making. I guess my expectations are too high.

StocktonShorts wrote:

QuantumMacgyver wrote:
Can't we all just hold off on the negativity and embrace the fact that this squad is playing well until we are losing and playing like crud.

That being said, did anyone catch Mo's comments after the game? When asked about what coach drew up in the huddle before his buzzer beat, I thought I heard Mo say something like "He didn't draw anything up. Just said take the ball and make something happen". Did anyone else catch that? If that's true then Corbin might be just about the worst coach I can imagine. Worse even then Whoopi. You have the final possession in a tied game against the best team in the league AND bitter rival... and you just say "make something happen". I sure hope I heard him wrong.

You couldn't even follow your own advice for one post!

I feel like we're winning in spite of stupid moves Corbin is making. I guess my expectations are too high.

Haha, that was the point. And I agree with you in regards to Corbin. I want to like him, but he isn't making it easy.

I think Kanter and Favors are smart enough to recognize they are the future frontcourt, MAYBE we keep one of Millsap or Al Jefferson, but regardless, Kanter and Favors are the direction we are moving. Burks I can understand being frustrated, there doesn't appear to much hope for him, unless Hayward becomes a SF, but I can't see that happening this year.

HolyToledo12 wrote:...I guarantee Jerry Sloan would be starting Favors when he was fully healthy. Sloan simply played his best players and didnt care about egos.

Are you saying Favors is better than Al Jefferson? Seriously? I don't think many basketball analysts would agree with that.

beefers1 wrote:

HolyToledo12 wrote:...I guarantee Jerry Sloan would be starting Favors when he was fully healthy. Sloan simply played his best players and didnt care about egos.

Are you saying Favors is better than Al Jefferson? Seriously? I don't think many basketball analysts would agree with that.

Uh.... Sloan didn't start Deron when he was clearly our best player.

beefers1 wrote:

HolyToledo12 wrote:...I guarantee Jerry Sloan would be starting Favors when he was fully healthy. Sloan simply played his best players and didnt care about egos.

Are you saying Favors is better than Al Jefferson? Seriously? I don't think many basketball analysts would agree with that.

I can argue that Jefferson is not one of the best centers of NBA, but I cannot argue Jefferson is the best center in Utah.
The thing with Jefferson is that I cannot see him at future of Jazz and at the same time I cannot see him as a difference maker. This means two things.
1. Jefferson cannot make Utah a contender team or a team somehow near. Can you at least dream that Utah wins champ this year? He can be an important gear in a contender team but that is all, he cannot make a team much more better.
2. Playing Jefferson more will also steal time from Utah's future. If this team will turn into a contender team, it will be because of Favors and Kanter. This is still a if. But we know Jefferson's ceiling, what he is capable of, and if giving more minutes to Jefferson really slow down or limit Favors and Kanter's development then we have a problem here.
I am heartfully against tanking. But what I wrote here is something different. Trade Jefferson, give more minutes to the young core, yes Utah can be worst because of that, but Utah actually has nothing to lose for that. Losing 10 matches will not a make difference for Jazz.

falcon107 wrote:

beefers1 wrote:

HolyToledo12 wrote:...I guarantee Jerry Sloan would be starting Favors when he was fully healthy. Sloan simply played his best players and didnt care about egos.

Are you saying Favors is better than Al Jefferson? Seriously? I don't think many basketball analysts would agree with that.

I can argue that Jefferson is not one of the best centers of NBA, but I cannot argue Jefferson is the best center in Utah.
The thing with Jefferson is that I cannot see him at future of Jazz and at the same time I cannot see him as a difference maker. This means two things.
1. Jefferson cannot make Utah a contender team or a team somehow near. Can you at least dream that Utah wins champ this year? He can be an important gear in a contender team but that is all, he cannot make a team much more better.
2. Playing Jefferson more will also steal time from Utah's future. If this team will turn into a contender team, it will be because of Favors and Kanter. This is still a if. But we know Jefferson's ceiling, what he is capable of, and if giving more minutes to Jefferson really slow down or limit Favors and Kanter's development then we have a problem here.
I am heartfully against tanking. But what I wrote here is something different. Trade Jefferson, give more minutes to the young core, yes Utah can be worst because of that, but Utah actually has nothing to lose for that. Losing 10 matches will not a make difference for Jazz.

While I still maintain that Jefferson IS indeed one of the best centers in the NBA, I do agree with your idea. I think that if Utah were to move one guy, it should be Jefferson. The big question is, from whom do we trade him? We don't really have any holes in our roster. The only viable options I can think of are backup PG and backup big man. And Jefferson's trade stock is far too high for that, unless we do a salary dump.