Let's talk about Corbin's coaching skills...

RookieJazz · Post #1 » by **RookieJazz** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:20 am

I found this must read post in a jazz blog, and now we have a clear evidence of how good is Ty coaching.

http://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2012 ... m-orlando/

Enjoy it!

kebutah · Post #2 » by **kebutah** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:35 am

Good coaches don't continually let their average starters dig big holes for the team. Earning minutes should be the same for everybody. When Foye gets benched for 1-9 shooting and poor defense I may think differently.

Nate505 · Post #3 » by **Nate505** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:45 am

Ok....

Uh, I miss the fist pump he used to do with regularity as an assistant.

That's about it.

In all seriousness I really want to give the guy a chance to see if he's a good coach, but I'm not seeing it. He does nothing but play the vets while the future of the team is rotting away on the bench. The vets can have awful games and they get their minutes, but when a young guy with talent struggles they get buried on the bench. It's beyond maddening.

beefers1 · Post #4 » by **beefers1** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:20 am

I'll have to admit that our young players are doing well enough to perhaps warrant some more minutes. And our starters going down early is definitely a huge concern. However, I still have doubts as to whether those players "of the future" can bring enough stability for the here and now. While it's true that our bench often gets us out of early holes, it's still usually the starters who sustain that momentum late in close games. Also, we just might be one of the deepest teams in the league; with so many options, minutes are simply going to be hard to come by.

Considering the circumstances, I think Corbin is doing a great job. Not many coaches can right the ship as quickly as Ty did. Nate McMillan is the only other guy I can think of in recent memory who was put through a similar situation and succeeded.

The59Sound · Post #5 » by **The59Sound** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:28 am

Ty Corbin looks lost -- and with good reason: he is.

Post #6 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:00 pm

i think coach ty, being a young\new coach in this league is performing like a young player in this league. he is inconsistent - sometimes he makes good decisions and sometimes he doesn't. sometimes he puts on the court the right lineup and sometimes he doesn't.

what bothers me mostly is
1. he gives too much credit to the vets and don't play the young guys enough
2. the defense has not improved from year to year and it is still bad
3. he got the deepest front court in the league yet the team is almost last in the league in defensive rebounding
4. he is too slow to react and make adjustments during the game

i think and hope that these things can be corrected given time, but i'm also starting to get impatient. next year is the most i'll give him to show some progress, and hope that the front office will make some of his decisions for him through trades.

i do think that he does what he can to win, and i respect that and it is not something that i take for granted. it is enough to look at the warriors last year and at what mark jackson did (short recap - not playing curry after he was healthy, pulling his best players out of close games even though they played very well in those games, putting up an all-rookie starting lineup - the first time in nba history) to understand that corbin does try to win every game. is it the best thing for the team? i don't know. maybe getting a decent draft pick while developing the young core is a better option, but i can't complain as a fan that the franchise i follow and it's coach are committed to winning even if it will hurt them in the long run. i think david locke raised very good points about trying to win vs. tanking during the past few month, especially with respect to the players who are still part of the organization and you're basically asking them to lose so that the team could draft players to replace them and take their place\job.

so, to conclude - i'm also getting impatient with corbin but still willing to give him a chance and see if like a player he can grow and improve, because i think most of his coaching flaws are correctable. we are an average team and he is an average coach, and certainly not among the worst in the league so i guess it matches our roster. and the warriors suck and we could have it so much worse.

Post #7 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:10 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:... and the warriors suck ...

How do you figure?

Post #8 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:12 pm

beefers1 wrote: Also, we just might be one of the deepest teams in the league;

People keep saying this, but I think we're not so much deep as we are uniformly mediocre.

Post #9 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:23 pm

StocktonShorts wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:... and the warriors suck ...

How do you figure?

i wasn't referring to their w-l record so far this year, i meant as an organization - for all the reasons i wrote and that we all brought up months ago during their disgusting tanking session (there is also a way to tank and that wasn't it. it was egregious). and you can add to that lying to their fans about bogut's injury, and if you want more examples just say so and i'm sure we can all pitch in and write some more.

beefers1 · Post #10 » by **beefers1** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:48 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:is it the best thing for the team? i don't know.

IMO, it is always best for the team. That's the reason I'm a Jazz fan in the first place, despite hailing from nowhere near Utah.

Post #11 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:55 pm

beefers1 wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:is it the best thing for the team? i don't know.

IMO, it is always best for the team. That's the reason I'm a Jazz fan in the first place, despite hailing from nowhere near Utah.

that's 100% cool\legitimate\ok or whatever. but then we need to chill with some of the criticism that corbin gets. we complain that he doesn't play the young players enough, but he is doing that because he thinks it gives the team the best chance to win (while mark jackson played his young players because it gave him the best chance to lose).

i think all of us in this forum have been jazz fans for a long time (btw, i'm hailing from nowhere near utah too), so i can say the following, which is only my opinion, and i know that while not everyone will agree, everyone will understand.

while it is really nice that the team is committed to winning and always has been, it doesn't always feel like it is committed to winning a championship. and i personally am willing to watch a losing team for a few seasons if in the long run it will help to reach that goal, by a combination of young player development and high draft picks or whatever is necessary. imagine if last year we gave favors + hayward + burks 30+ mins a game and kanter would get about 20-25. they would be further ahead, and instead of getting swept in the first round maybe we would have had a nice pick in a very strong draft. and if we were bad enough we might have even bumped the warriors a spot and end up with two lottery picks. i'm not saying that's the way to go, but i really can see both sides and would have had no problem with either course of action. i want the jazz to win a championship. by now being a perennially 1-2 round team - while appreciated - can get tiresome when that is all that you can look ahead for and look back on to a sum of close to 3 decades. i would like to see a real chance for a championship and willing to take a few steps back in the the short term to achieve it in the long term.

beefers1 · Post #12 » by **beefers1** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:04 pm

StocktonShorts wrote:
beefers1 wrote: Also, we just might be one of the deepest teams in the league;

People keep saying this, but I think we're not so much deep as we are uniformly mediocre.

No, I really do think we're one of the deepest. Al Jefferson has always been an all-star level talent. Mo has shown flashes. Hayward has the talent but needs to bring consistency. Favors and Burks, of course, have incredible potential. Tinsley is a great passer with fantastic court vision. And that's not to mention Millsap, Foye, et al, guys who just bring it every night.

All this team needs to do is put it together. Right now, we're like the Nuggets of the previous few years: deep, can win in the regular season but not advance in the playoffs. Of course Ty has made mistakes, and the defense is inexcusable (especially considering what Dwane Casey did in TO last year with a worse crew), but I think he's a great fit for this team and am willing to be patient with him.

When you guys constantly complain about Corbin, do you think about how good we have it? How many teams can claim to have returned to the playoffs just one season after losing one of the best players in the league? Hell, even OKC had a few terrible ones before they became like this. Cleveland and Phoenix are probably going to be worse. Orlando is doing okay because they have smart (and not too old) veterans who make smart plays. And that's where we need to be right now.

You guys always talk about winning a championship in the long term. While that's great and should always be the end goal, success isn't based on championships alone. Only one team out of 30 gets to win each season. That's some pretty exclusive territory. We shouldn't be disappointed if we don't win that title, since there are other indicators of what makes a great team. That is why I don't believe in sacrificing games now to "develop" talent.

kebutah · Post #13 » by **kebutah** » Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:29 pm

Our depth is not filled with skill. It is more a group of average or a little less guys with similar abilities,excluding our youth which is not fully developed. The vets we play other than Al and Mo are not more skilled than the backups.

idajazz · Post #14 » by **idajazz** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:34 am

corbin sucks, nuff said

HolyToledo12 · Post #15 » by **HolyToledo12** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:42 am

Corbin is a great practice coach and preparing the team. I like this a lot BUT..

He is the worst game manager of alltime such as bizarre substitutions and defering too much to the veterans. Corbin's biggest motivation seems to be to keep unity with all the veterans on free agent years even if they are not the best players, it costs the young guys from developing faster, and it costs the team wins. I actually think Corbin wants to play the young guys but the GM has put him in this position with a lot of free agent Vets, and he has decided team unity is the best way to go instead of developing the young guys.