Redo the Jazz roster

Post #1 » by **FJS** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:53 pm

What players do you keep?

What players are expendables?

Who starts?

Try to make the playoffs or remodel?

red4hf · Post #2 » by **red4hf** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:57 pm

Keep:

Favors/Kanter/Hayward/Burks/Carroll/Evans/Tinlsey/Murphy......

Trade or release everyone else.......

There's just no point in spending so much money to fight for the 8th spot.......

Post #3 » by **FJS** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:08 pm

When you are talking about Tinsley I assume you're talking about this season.

red4hf · Post #4 » by **red4hf** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:10 pm

FJS wrote:When you are talking about Tinsley I assume you're talking about this season.

Yes, but I would also keep him as an assistant after this season.......

HolyToledo12 · Post #5 » by **HolyToledo12** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:47 pm

Well Bargnani and Lowery are available. We can trade Millsap with Mo Williams with our 2 #1 picks (maybe Burks if really necessary) this year to get it done. Making Bargnani a 6th man for this season then our starter next year alongside of Favors. Im not a Jefferson fan as he is not a smart player (ie the foul last night). He is a clutch scorer and did go to the line 8 times yesterday. I would allow his contract to expire and likely let him leave, but would consider keeping him on a one year deal only but he is likly to get over paid.

2013-14 Jazz lineup
PG Lowery (Burks all summer league working on it)
SG Hayward Foye (bring him back) Murphy
C Favors Kanter
PF Bargnani Favors Evans
SF Marvin Williams (i think he decides to not exercise free agent option) Hayward Carroll

A good combination of post up players, outside shooting, and defenders. Bargnani is the wild card as he could be an allstar caliber player or simply a soft outside shooter. Top 4 seed in the west likely.

seejaydeja · Post #6 » by **seejaydeja** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:29 pm

ew no bargns please

Post #7 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:08 pm

no lowery please
bargs? maybe, depends on how the rest of the roster is shaped.

babyjax13 · Post #8 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:05 pm

Keep: Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks, Carroll
MOVE (or let walk): Mo Williams, Marvin Williams, Paul Millsap, Raja Bell
Don't care: Al Jefferson, Earl Watson
Wouldn't mind staying: Evans, Tinsley, Foye

Strategy: Trade the older players for younger ones/draft picks.

millslapper · Post #9 » by **millslapper** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:48 pm

The Jazz must get rid of Jefferson, Foye and Corbin.

edfmx86 · Post #10 » by **edfmx86** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:52 pm

the only guys I have any interest in keeping and shaping a roster around are Kanter and Favors.

Wolverine · Post #11 » by **Wolverine** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:36 am

Trade the starting 5

Neon Black · Post #12 » by **Neon Black** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:40 am

I would looove Lowry. Taking on Barg ALMOST makes it worth it...i don't know, Andres might not be so bad along with Favors or as a scoring 6th man.

reapaman · Post #13 » by **reapaman** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:38 am

HAHAHA Bargs, No way, not on this team.

Anywho ..... Everyones on the table. I would like to keep Favors tho and have him play next to a young scoring big man ala Cousins (Who I don't think he's as bad of a guy he's made out to be, I mean the guy didn;t slack over the summer and not a trouble maker out side of getting over emotional on the court). We would probabley have to start with Kanter to get him. As for pg, I think CJ Mccollum is our guy. Mabey more of a combo guard but the things is thats he's smart, talented and a senior (I hold great value for seniors). We should be able to get him with one of our picks (if there not traded) even if we gotta move up. Jordan hamilton has tons of potential as a lethal scoring wing and has really killed when he actually got a chance to play this year, we should get this guy. He's alot more further along in development than burks, is a much better shooter now and has equal if not better potential (and more likely to reach it imo) so I would start with burks as a package for him. I'll make a trade for a good defender and 3 point shooter ala Courtney Lee which should be too hard to aquire him. I would sign someone like Mozgov and brandan Wright to backup cousins and Favors. With this set up I'll keep hayward as sixth man, along with Carroll, Mo williams, Tinsley and Murphy. Marvin will probley excercise his option so theres no choice with that.

Mccollum/Mo Williams/Tinsley
Lee/Hayward/Murphy
Hamilton/Mar Williams/Carroll
Cousins/B Wright
Favors/Mozgov

Something like ..... And alternative over going the tyreke option.

Post #14 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:02 am

do you really want a scoring big man (cousins) who shoots 41% from the field? his rebounding numbers look good partly because of his low FG%. might as well keep al who wants to be here, shoots at a higher percentage, doesn't turn the ball over, and actually fits the description of a scoring big man.

nguyenbalong · Post #15 » by **nguyenbalong** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:13 am

I think its more coaching than players. I don't know why Corbin doesn't ride the hot hands and why he didnt call a time out when he sees the momentum clearly changing until it was too late.

reapaman · Post #16 » by **reapaman** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:07 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:do you really want a scoring big man (cousins) who shoots 41% from the field? his rebounding numbers look good partly because of his low FG%. might as well keep al who wants to be here, shoots at a higher percentage, doesn't turn the ball over, and actually fits the description of a scoring big man.

You can't really go by what he's doing this year because Sac-town is killing him. That crappy situation is kill almost everyone on the roster's value, not just his. Last year he was shooting close to 45% with all around shooting numbers close to kevin love (oviously Love is better since he's been in the nba longer but you get the point). Love and Cousins get there offense different than Jefferson so you can't really compare the shooting numbers plus Cousins looks like he will get to the line alot more than AL which is a plus. As for his turnover problems, they are not any worse than Favors fouling problems. Both of them are young and should improve together on those issues.

Last year Cousins showed great potential and many thought he could be the big men in the nba one day if he is kept under control (and like I said I think his problems have more to do with teh crappiness of the maloofs organization they created than him). I don't think that is still out of the relm of possibility, he just needs a better situation than Sac-town. I think he will trive here and I'm not worried about his personality since I know he actually cares and works hard. Cousins is just a little immature which will get better with time, he's nothing like derrick coleman who was a lazy bum (a talented bum but a bum none the less).

I mean where would that detroit team had been if they didn't think they could handle rasheed wallace.

millslapper · Post #17 » by **millslapper** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:34 pm

reapaman wrote:
Mccollum/Mo Williams/Tinsley
Lee/Hayward/Murphy
Hamilton/Mar Williams/Carroll
Cousins/B Wright
Favors/Mozgov

in another thread you wrote, that players like Bargs never ever will come of the bench. But the same goes for Mo Williams. He even complaint when he was clipper. and you know who the starting PG is in LA.

JDubJazz · Post #18 » by **JDubJazz** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:38 pm

No one on the team is untouchable. But if there is one thing we have learned over the past few years, its that Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap will not take us to the promised land. Both are great guys, but its time for both to move on. I really believe that the only way this Jazz team gets better is 1. Al and Paul need to go, and 2. Coach Corbin needs to either be fired (my preference) or the front office needs to structure his roster such that his only option is to develop the youth.

A deep roster is a curse when you are trying to develop players, and in my opinion, this has been KOC's biggest mistake. He gave a weak and insecure coach two crutches, and until he yanks them away, the coach will never learn to walk or run correctly.

We are about a month away from the Jazz being out of serious playoff contention, and once that happens, I expect a personnel move or two. Cousins scares me to death, but if the price is right, that's a gamble you might need to take. As far as PG goes, I don't think that gets solved this season. The Jazz were too chicken to pony up Millsap in the offseason in order to get above the Blazers on draft day and take Lilliard. That mistake will haunt them for years. Maybe there is another PG prospect in the draft, maybe there's a trade out there for someone else, but I'm pretty sure the Jazz PG of the future will not be on the roster this season.

I don't believe there is a quick fix for this team, and until we finally cut the cord on Al and Paul, mediocrity is the BEST we can hope for.

Post #19 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:40 pm

JDubJazz wrote:No one on the team is untouchable. But if there is one thing we have learned over the past few years, its that Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap will not take us to the promised land. Both are great guys, but its time for both to move on. I really believe that the only way this Jazz team gets better is

I'm breathlessly awaiting the conclusion to this post.

JDubJazz · Post #20 » by **JDubJazz** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:51 pm

StocktonShorts wrote:
JDubJazz wrote:No one on the team is untouchable. But if there is one thing we have learned over the past few years, its that Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap will not take us to the promised land. Both are great guys, but its time for both to move on. I really believe that the only way this Jazz team gets better is

I'm breathlessly awaiting the conclusion to this post.

sorry, bumped the 'submit' button. Post now edited.