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C Average. I don't think they have done enough to justify a higher grade.

Corbin: C+
I think that he's starting to adjust the offense a bit and put a lot more emphasis on ball movement, which I like. I also think his defensive schemes are actually really good when the players buy in. However, some of his rotations are odd and I wish he'd call more timeouts.

Mo Williams: C-
I'm not a fan, I think that ball movement stagnates with him at the point, he can be turnover prone...I just don't like him as our starting point guard. That said, when he plays extremely well (which is about once every three games) he is as fun as it gets to watch.

Randy Foye: B+
He's had some fantastic games followed by some droughts, which is what we expected. It's just that it was hard for me, at the very least, to imagine just how quickly he could put points on the board.

Marvin Williams: F
Utterly useless.

Paul Millsap: D+
Lately he has played well. The rest of the season? Horribly.

Al Jefferson: C
Again, lately he has just been brilliant, his passing is better than last year and he seems to be more motivated on defense from time to time. I'd just like to see him establish better position in the post AND be motivated all the time.

Jamaal Tinsley: A
Yeah, I love Tinsley, he plays his heart out. Sometimes he takes boneheaded shots; but otherwise he is as pure a point guard as can be asked for.

Gordan Hayward: B-
He has been brilliant lately, but he had a long stretch where he struggled.

Favors: B-
Part of this is on Corbin. He has shown more and more flashes, but really isn't playing enough to make a tremendous impact on the team.

Kanter: B-
Inconsistent, but still showing flashes.

The rest? I don't care.

Overall: B-
They are performing about where I thought they would, just right outside the top 8 for most of the season thus far. I still don't think we'll make the playoffs.

Corbin: C+
I like the change in defense, but offensively I'm not a fan. Dump it down to Jefferson and react...
I don't see much rewards doing any cuts/screens when there is no pass.. execution sometimes is poor. Like harping said off-air once.."do we even have an offense?". It has gotten better as of late, and it seems that Milsap is a number 2 option to Jefferson which is working "ok" for now..the future.. is going to get real interesting if he's traded. His substitutions/preference are geared for veterans and doesn't like any quick rotation/starting changes. Regardless of who is hot you might see them shoot lights out the beginning of the game to end up sitting out the majority of the second half which has to be frustrating for the players. I like the fact that he's using Alex Burks as a PG. My main complaint is the offense. Watching Sloan's vs. Corbin's..I'd rather have Sloan's again. C+

Mo Williams: C+
I'm also not a fan.. talented but how many times has the clock gone down last min. and he takes a 3? Like that's the whole game plan - I take over and shoot it .. he's quick, but turns the ball over - seems to outrun anyone including our other players which screws things up. I don't see a WHOLE lot of creation for the big players or really hard screens. He's a tough guy but sometimes our system runs better with Tinsley and for what money he's making.. I dunno..I think he needs to slow it down and shoot when he's open, I know Corbin wants to run but.. I just don't see this team running well and he's really a runner..

Randy Foye: B
He likes to shoot.. but he's making him. I can't believe we went from Bell to Foye, I can't believe Bell is still earning a paycheck for no reason too.. talk about a life..need to get rid of him!.. Bell couldn't hit anything last year and here's foye going bezerk shooting all the time. At first I thought this was selfish but ... it's nice to keep the other teams have to play honest when you have a guy out there willing to throw it up there if he's even a hint open. Plays hard 'D'.. I don't have a problem with Foye and I hope he comes back. Also like the fact that he can run PG from time to time just to mix things up..

Marvin Williams: C-
I like Marvin, on and off the court - he's lost on our offense which is sad. Tough player but I'll admit he has not played well. If I was him, I would sign that player option immediately. Sometimes he's getting beat by...well everyone.. he's had knee issues/injuries but I still have hope for him to shine some more. I hope this is just injury problems. There's potential there though if we just improve our passing and he slashes to the basket with a finish (but again.. where is the pass?).

Paul Millsap: C+
Dude works hard, can shoot the 3, inside outside game, rebounds - but got lost earlier in the season and I think Corbins system has screwed things up for him. Also having Jefferson taking all the shots and Favors looking over your shoulder has got to be hard. There's effort for sure, no doubt about it and he's made some brilliant plays. I'd say he's the "Jazz" player we hope most turn out to be.. hard working, talented. He's getting better.. I'd like to see him shoot more than Jefferson honestly (I'm talking about midrange 2 pointers..). I blame more the system than him..but earlier in the season he was having problems.

Al Jefferson: B
I want to give him a bad grade, mostly because how screwed up our system is compared to the Boozer days but.. he's shooting well, blocking, rebounding and passing better. His defense is..better.. lately he hasn't been taking all the shots which is nice. Bringing along Kanter. I just hate how the ball goes to Jefferson and we all just watch after that.. ball needs to still move better but his play and effort this year is.. very high. I think he's the leader.. and a good one. I'm worried he's going to be our franchise player and we'll be watching this same thing for the next few years..

Jamaal Tinsley: B+
Runs the team the best, he gets beat by anyone younger than him (everyone) but at the same time he passes first...shoots only when open.

Gordan Hayward: B+
I think G. Hayward has realized he has to create and take shots - and just take over.. and it's working. Some nights his shot is off but - I hope he stays a Jazzman for a long time.

Favors: B
He's improved his FT's.. blocks rebounds, defends better than Jefferson.. wish we would pick and roll for him WAAAY more than we are (more a fault to our PG's/Corbin than his) His inside game still needs work but.. yeah he's improved stat wise..and coming along well. Guy is also getting to the free throw line.. future is looking good if he keeps improving the way he is..

Kanter: B-
Tough, beat it up inside.. rebound, block (not much but still there..) still getting better and he's still a youngin'. I'd like to give him the green light more on outside shooting (if he's wide open..take it.. he has a shot, help open up favors/milsap..)

Alec Burks: B
for the short amount of time he's getting..guy is skilled, drives to the basket and creates.. i've heard complaints about his D being not that great but.. I think he's doing pretty well. I like him being used as a PG, he just needs to start passing the ball a little more but other than that, I have little or no complaints. Future is looking good as well with Burks.

DeMarre Carrol: B
Little or no complaints with him..he can shoot, but the guy works hard..rebounds, defends.. hope he stays on (I've heard rumblings that he/his agent have said he should be playing more... his biggest problem is he is not a deep threat although he can shoot it... I dunno.. I don't have a problem with him)

Jeremy Evans: C
I.. like him off the court, the guy is long, athletic but we've never seen any shooting skills.. can block..little light to defend but he's a project you keep working on for sure.. I think he would shine on a team like the thunder, he would fit there.... but right now on the Jazz he's sunk.. maybe the plan is to bring him off the bench behind favors next year? I suspect trade bait here..hate to see it but..

Kevin Murphy: no grade..
I think he'd be playing a heck-of-a-lot-more if he was drafted by.. Cavs..Lakers..a bunch of other teams but when you have Burks/Foye/Hayward playing that position from time to time.. you're pretty much screwed. Like to see more of him in the future...he seems small though..

Earl Watson: D
A few years ago I was a huge Watson fan but things are really falling apart.. he's a tough guy and very good at some passing like the allyoop but I think he's our weakest link at PG. I'd rather see Burks play his minutes. He's not coming back.. I just don't see our GM doing that.

Raja Bell: F
He's in Florida getting paid to do nothing and knowing it's 4F this morning and the fact that I absolutely hate my job with a passon... that just annoys the heck out of me.

Overall: B-
We need a new PG and depth at PG.. a long term solution at PG. I'm holding back saying a new coach but I hope the players work through this system we're trying to run. Also we need to bring Kanter along a little better because he can shoot, just he's never been given the green light. We are so powerful up front but our guards just have not been able to keep up. I've been hoping for a Jefferson trade but the way things are going and the numbers/roster situation I.. am worried that Paul is either going to walk this offseason for nothing or will be traded next month. Our rebounding is down for some reason.. we have a million home games the rest of the season left so I think we'll be making some noise here in a month or two but we will be a first round exit team. Huge decisions by our GM/KOC and it should be interesting to see what happens.

Coaching:
Corbin: D-, the only reason it's not an F is because we're however slightly above .500....... Has misused players entire year, played favorites, and has put his survival above developing young players.....


Starters:
Jefferson: A-, leads the team in scoring and rebounding, and has been clutch pretty much all year......

Millsap: C, has no business starting, has been pathetic most of the year, but has a big game eevery now and then.....

Marvin Williams: C, now I see why the Hawks fans were so frustrated by him.....

Foye: B+, probably should be coming off the bench, but has provided some much needed long distance shooting.....

Tinlsey: B+, has played well enough, can't really ask too much more of him, has even made a bunch of threes lately.....


Bench:

Favors: A, should be starting period...... Develping post game, and as always, top notch on the defensive end......

Hayward: B+, needs to be more consistent, but has shown growth in his all around game......

Kanter: B+, looks like a different player than last year...... Showing improved low post moves and confidence, and even some athleticism that was absent last year..... Needs to learn to pass out of the post......

Burks: B-, I still don't understand why he wasn't playing early in the year...... Has his moments, but really needs to get consistent time in order for us to figure out whether he's a potential star or just a future rotation player.....

Watson: C, has his moments, but can't shoot and hogs the ball for some reason......

Carroll: A, has shown this year that he's an actual NBA player, not just an energy guy...... Needs to stop gambling so much on defense.....

Evans: C, hasn't shown any progress......

Murphy: incomplete, hasn't gotten enough playing time to show what, if anything, he's capable of.......


Injured Players:

Mo Williams: C+, not as good as I expected him to be......

Bell: B, hey at least he's not Watson......


Ownership: A big, fat F, seems like they are perfectly content with being mediocre for the next 10 years..... More interested in making the playoffs as the 8 seed than developing talent for the future.......

babyjax13 wrote:Gordan Hayward: B-

Matt007b wrote:Gordan Hayward: B+

I give y'all an 'F' in spelling.

Corbin: C+

He's got a difficult task: managing a roster where the 'A team' guys are just slightly better than the 'B' team guys at every position. I give him credit for seemingly keeping everybody engaged from 1 through 13 on the roster. Having said that I think the team's X's and O's are pretty poor and I think some guys would benefit from a clearer substitution pattern.

Al Jefferson: A−

I've been his biggest critic at times, but he's made some additional progress this year over last year in terms of passing out of the double team and adjusting to what the defense throws at him. He's also shooting his free throws at an amazing rate for a guy of his size. Any progress for a player at his age and with his experience is commendable.

Paul Millsap: C

If you want to be a starter in this league known for your hard work and hustle, you can't go on a ten-game stretch where you dog it and then spend most of the rest of the season just looking for your points. In contrast to Al I think Paul has taken a step back this year. I've been very surprised at how selfish he's played.

Gordon Hayward: B+

He's gotten a lot more aggressive, which is good. His outside shooting has finally been as good as they say it is in practice. His defense has been great. I need more rebounding and more assists from him.

Derrick Favors: A−

His defense has been good, he's improved his free-throw shooting tremendously and is starting to show he can knock down an open jumpshot. He's figuring out what his strengths are on the court and playing under control. He has also shown that he can play 30+ minutes without fouling out.

Marvin Williams: C

He looks lost on offense and doesn't look great on defense. Usually I don't notice when he's on the floor.

Mo Williams: C

Jazz are better off with Tinsley at the point. What does that say? I don't think he's a starting point guard in the league.

Randy Foye: B−

He shoots really well and doesn't try to do too much, but he's a liability on defense and on offense when doing anything other than shooting open shots. He should be getting 20 minutes a night.

DeMarre Carroll: B+

In my opinion this guy should be starting. For a guy who was a power forward in college he's transformed himself into a nice SF who can hit open shots and defend with tenacity. Great, great pickup by the FO.

Jamaal Tinsley: A−

The team is simply better with him on the floor than with any of our other point guards. He's a liability of defense but more than makes up for it on the other end. I realize most of us Jazz fans are programmed to like pass-first point guards, but I love watching this guy play.

Enes Kanter: B

He's shown good progress this year. He's more confident in his jumpshot and looks like he'll be a threat from 15-20 feet. I wish he'd pass out of the post sooner and more frequenly, but I think that will come with time.

Alec Burks: B−

I like the effort he's putting in on the defensive end of the floor when he sees minutes. He's rebounding well and getting to the line. I'm still not sure what type of player he's going to be, but he's show he deserves the minutes for us to find out.

Earl Watson: C−

His lack of even a Tinsley-quality jumpshot really hurts the Jazz offensively. His defense hasn't been great either. I can't really make an argument for him getting PT ahead of the three-headed PG lineup of Hayward/Burks/Foye.

Jeremy Evans: I

Why did the Jazz sign this guy to a 3-year deal?

Kevin Murphy: I

Nothing to judge him on.

Lindsey & KOC: I

I can't judge these guys until I see what they do before the trade deadline.

lol..sorry I just copied his - I should have checked that spelling (my bad!)

Matt007b wrote:lol..sorry I just copied his - I should have checked that spelling (my bad!)

It gave me Giricek flashbacks (shudder).

Well, I am not following The Jazz that close this year.

Reading your opinion, I am very upset about Marvin Williams. I did not know he was doing so bad (F, C-, C) I was really hoping he was doing better than that.

I really enjoy the grades about Jamal Tinsley and Randy Foye.

Al Jefferson, everybody likes him and yet wants him to be traded. Poor guy.

Regards,

I vow to improve my spelling skillz.

Corbin: B-
Hardest to grade as you never know what he is tolerating has already coached and the players arn't picking up correctly. But from substitution patterns he seems to be playing best player to win now. I like that. But would like to see more mental toughness in the players, and he needs to demand that. How? hard way to do it with playing time but probably the solution.

Al Jefferson: B+
Easily best player on the team. But needs to be better for the leader of the team. Leaders of a team should be throwing themselves everywhere until the team shows it is going to win.

Paul Milsap: B
Easily second best player on the team. I wonder why the best shooter isn't shooting more. I put that on the coach and PG and not Milsap

Gordon Hayward: A-
This is on growth. Easy to grade as what have you done lately? He has done well and looking up to do more. That grade would drop to around B- if his outside shooting doesn't stay up.

Derrick Favors: C+
His potential is not coming out enough! I expected more, though he is getting better and some of it goes to the coach for playing time but what is a coach to do, lose games? His experience comes out load and clear, and he just needs more of it.

Marvin Williams: C
Was brought in for his shoting and second option to create a shot. Has been very average at shooting and ave to poor at creating his shot.

Mo Williams: B-
Can't help injuries,but the grade still comes. Jazz need him desperately. Easily the best PG and still hoping he gets back to his All star level again.

Randy Foye: A-
Doing exactly what the Jazz asked of him and not too shabby Not sure what else except be a bit more consistant.

DeMarre Carroll: B+
One can always tell when a guy is giving effort and Carroll gives it. Coaches love that too as they will learn quicker and more effeciently. Too bad Carroll started a bit low on the skill level...maybe he should be getting more playing time?

Jamaal Tinsley: D
Wow, quite the love affair here with the PG's. He stinks at TO's and looks like a girl when he shoots his outside shoot. But he does know how to pass. His defense gives up about every bit of gain he gets on offense with his passing. Sometimes he passes out of an open shot within the paint...that is a big NO NO. TAKE the shot my friend or get out of the league.
Though he is the best the Jazz have at that position the PG gets the blame, and he needs to do better and with his time in the league he should be. PG gets the blame just like the quarterback, keeper, and pitcher, though it isn't always their fault they do control the game in a lot of important aspects. To me PG is the reason for more than one loss this year.

Enes Kanter: B
Have to admit Kanter is doing a lot better. I didn't think he would be worth the efforts but he has come along well and still has a long ways to go but is doing very well at it.

Alec Burks: Incomplete
Coach hasn't given him enough time

Earl Watson: D-
Ok in pinch, but thank goodness the Jazz don't need that very often. Clearly the weakness of the team.

Jeremy Evans: Incomplete
Love him, but he is still waiting patentiently for his time. Knows how to use his strengths to get points, I just wonder how he will do when other teams scout him out. When he does get his playing time I hope he is good enough to counter the scouting reports.

Kevin Murphy: Incomplete
Not enough playing time

(sorry my spelling stinks...I know)

nghedman wrote:Paul Milsap: B
Easily second best player on the team. I wonder why the best shooter isn't shooting more. I put that on the coach and PG and not Milsap

Personally, I think he's taking too many shots outside of the offense and his FG% is at a career low. You really think he needs more shots?

nghedman wrote:Mo Williams: B-
Can't help injuries,but the grade still comes. Jazz need him desperately. Easily the best PG and still hoping he gets back to his All star level again.

The Jazz don't really look like they need him desperately. They're 11-13 with him, 11-6 without him.

nghedman wrote:Jamaal Tinsley: D
Wow, quite the love affair here with the PG's. He stinks at TO's and looks like a girl when he shoots his outside shoot.

There are plenty of non-sexist ways to criticize Tinsley's ugly shot. If you really think that's how girls shoot then I'm guessing it's been a long time since you've watched any high-level women's basketball.

Sexist remarks aside, if aesthetics matters to you then certainly his poor "jump shot" form would be counterbalanced by all of the aesthetically-pleasing playground tricks he pulls.

i dont get how Foye can get such high grades, ok he is shooting really well but defensively he is just terrible (lately things get slightly better but still overall he cost us almost as much points as he gets by himself )

I think that you have to grade players in terms of what your expectations are. I expected a player who was deficient defensively but could light up the score board occasionally. What I see is a player who can light it up, but is also somewhat consistent. He isn't going for 4 and then 25, he is going 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 30. I like that a lot. I also think that his defensive struggles are more physical than anything else, he just simply isn't big enough to guard a lot of shooting guards. He certainly gives effort and I have few major complaints about him.

Milsap:
He is the second best shooter on the team behind who? Al Jefferson. (Thats not counting Kanter and Evans who really don't get enough shots to count. And one should adjust for players that get shots 2 feet in and closer.)
As far as Milsap taking shots out of the offense you may have something there, but how would one really know. I don't think that is the case. It appears to me he should be given some MORE latitude on his shot selection.

He is at a career low this year but his career average is still one of the best including Jefferson, and this years average of 47% is great for an outside shooter. (Can you imagine if Marv or Hayward shoot 47% how that would translate to wins!)

Mo:
By my figures its 14 win/15 losses with him during the hardest part of the schedule. I'm not sure exactly when he went injured but 5 of the last 6 games were loses and he probably was playing injured.
7 wins 5 losses without him.
But wins to losses are respective to who you are playing. so it's hard to really say by that account imo. I think you have to just watch games to really know.

Girl play: Your right, opps, I should just say his shots stinks....terribly. I do like is playground moves and think there should be more of that in the NBA, its and entertainment field right?

You may have something with Foye's defense too there eLo. But I'm not sure the Jazz were looking for that when they picked him up. Any rate it does counter his play a bit and should be taken into consideration.

Jazz in January = B+ range to A-
All Players up 1-2 levels in this month compared to before. Both Units are B or greater, except Watson.



Jazz the rest of the year = C- range to C+

Players in B range(These players bring what is expected, they generally hit their averages/expectations):
Hayward
Jefferson
Tinsley
Carroll

Players in C range(Players who are dependable to do their job most nights, they generally hit their minimum):
Foye
Burks
Favors
Kanter

Players in D range(Mostly because of bad droughts and continual bad nights, or injured often so didn't play)
Millsap(*Averaged out, Millsap is more of a C, but I feel his overall performance all year is just bad, mainly because he sucked badly, compared to what he has done in January).

Mo Williams(*Is easily in the B, but he has missed so many games, and were doing Great, without him)

Players in E or F range(F-Either just suck and aren't needed, or E-haven't had time to prove themselves):
F-Marvin Williams
F-Watson
E-Murphy
E-Evans