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Im am not a huge Jefferson fan but thats crap players the Jazz are getting. Clearly not enough! Patty Mills is ok but equal or less talented than Mo Williams. Splitter ok if we resign him if not bad deal. Jackson prefer not to have on the team. Is this all what Jefferson is worth? If so, he cant expect much money in the off season.

Patty Mills, Splitter, S-Jax and a first round pick is pretty good value for an expiring Al Jefferson (whom the Jazz aren't likely to re-sign).

i disagree with the reasoning and conclusions of that article, except the part about the good relationships between the two front offices.

i also don't like the return the jazz are getting, since it is composed of marginal players and half-year rentals. and if the jazz aren't deluding themselves to think they are championship material with the current roster - the return from this trade certainly doesn't help to make them one. i don't see the jazz move past the 1st round with that return, so what's the use? might as well keep big al. that trade sucks.

The Spurs are the preferred trading partner I suspect. Maybe the Spurs want Jefferson but they could get Millsap back and keep Splitter.

Splitter is going to get paid this summer by somebody though. Millsap could be easier for the Spurs to keep.

I didn't hear Blair's name in this trade anywhere? He should be in.

Also Lorbek is a teammate of Ante Tomic right now.

What are you guys expecting to get out of trading 3 months of Al Jefferson?

I'd be shocked if they gave up Splitter in this deal. I'd also do it in a heartbeat, we're getting nothing for him in 3 months.

StocktonShorts wrote:What are you guys expecting to get out of trading 3 months of Al Jefferson?

what's the use of trading big al's big expiring contract just to get marginal players who are also on expiring contracts? if that's what we're getting we might as well let him walk for nothing.

if we don't get a draft pick or a player with a future in this franchise, we might as well let big al expire, especially if the trade doesn't even improve the team THIS year.

Inigo Montoya wrote:

StocktonShorts wrote:What are you guys expecting to get out of trading 3 months of Al Jefferson?

what's the use of trading big al's big expiring contract just to get marginal players who are also on expiring contracts? if that's what we're getting we might as well let him walk for nothing.

Tiago is really good, and Mills is a good backup PG. Depends on your definition of marginal I guess, but if we got Tiago, I'd be thrilled.

I also think Stephen Jackson would be a great addition to our locker room. We need his toughness, and by all accounts, he's a great teammate.

Tiago is not marginal but he will be on the open market. The rights to Lorbek have value. Nothing wrong with any picks you can squeeze out of them. Dejuan Blair would be ideal to get back. Give him 20 or 25 minutes a night and make him feel comfortable in Utah... maybe you get the hometown discount this summer.

StocktonShorts wrote:What are you guys expecting to get out of trading 3 months of Al Jefferson?

This trade make no sense for us. All these guys will be free agents this off-season and we could easily lose or have to greatly overpay all of them (we could also bid for them in the off-season anyway). Plus this assumes that the FO wouldn't wanna keep BIG AL and that Al wouldn't try to work a reasonable contract which I think he would. Also Tiago wouldn't backup Kanter, realistically he starts as long as he's here so this isn't serving the purpose of getting him more playing time. Not to mention the FO has been trying to make the playoffs all season so why would they take a step back now?

If were not gonna blow this team up (and I mean completely) then I rather take my chances and keep AL. This trade aint happening, makes no sense and is pointless.

countrybama24 wrote:I'd be shocked if they gave up Splitter in this deal. I'd also do it in a heartbeat, we're getting nothing for him in 3 months.

you get splitter for 3 months. he is getting paid when this season is over so the jazz is likely to lose him unless they want to open their wallet.

jax is expiring so you'll get nothing for him.
lorbek is not likely to come to the NBA and is a marginal player anyway (in NBA terms). there also might be a buyout issue.

mills is a backup point guard with one year left on his contract.

and... that's it. so you're basically trading big al for mills? maybe if the spurs sent some draft picks our way i'd consider it. i might do it if they threw in davis bertans.

pickIBL wrote:Tiago is not marginal but he will be on the open market. The rights to Lorbek have value. Nothing wrong with any picks you can squeeze out of them. Dejuan Blair would be ideal to get back. Give him 20 or 25 minutes a night and make him feel comfortable in Utah... maybe you get the hometown discount this summer.

Tiago is a restricted free agent, we could easily keep him or match and then trade him down the road. He could be part of a package with our picks moving up higher in the draft for example, or if we wanted to acquire Bledsoe. I like Dejuan too, he's like Millsap with a little more athleticism, but less offensive skill. Would be a great backup bid.

More importantly, we're getting NOTHING for Al this offseason unless we resign him, which I don't want to do either. Ideally, we'd extend him then trade him, but the organization is probably too loyal to do something like that.

when i wrote marginal i wasn't talking about splitter, but he is going to get more money than what the jazz are willing to give him, i'll bet.

reapaman wrote:

StocktonShorts wrote:What are you guys expecting to get out of trading 3 months of Al Jefferson?

Plus this assumes that the FO wouldn't wanna keep BIG AL and that Al wouldn't try to work a reasonable contract which I think he would. Also Tiago wouldn't backup Kanter, realistically he starts as long as he's here so this isn't serving the purpose of getting him more playing time.

Jefferson is going to likely be the top (healthy) center free agent this summer. I'd have to differ with you on him wanting to work out a reasonable contract. I suspect he's going to get paid as much as he can by the Jazz or some other club... even if it means playing for the freakin bobcats.

Tiago is going to get paid too... maybe more than the Jazz want to spend considering the young talent he'd play in front of... like you said.

Tiago Splitter is a quality NBA big man, he's less talented than Jefferson but honestly I'd much prefer to have him instead of Big Al, on the current team and in the future. In fact, I don't think I would like this deal at all if I was a Spurs fan.

countrybama24 wrote:. I like Dejuan too, he's like Millsap with a little more athleticism, but less offensive skill. Would be a great backup bid.

Dejuan does not have more athleticism than Millsap.. not true at all. Dejuan doesn't have ACLs... he's a wide load though and I like him. He does NOT play above the rim though.

pickIBL wrote:

countrybama24 wrote:. I like Dejuan too, he's like Millsap with a little more athleticism, but less offensive skill. Would be a great backup bid.

Dejuan does not have more athleticism than Millsap.. not true at all. Dejuan doesn't have ACLs... he's a wide load though and I like him. He does NOT play above the rim though.

i remember that after he had a great game he got interviewed to the TV, and they asked him: "how over rated are ACLs?

his response: "i don't know. i don't have them".

DeJuan Blair is more athletic than Millsap? Lolwut?

Spurs fan here. What are you guys' thoughts on whether Al could find some defensive intensity/effectiveness by a change of scenery? The impression I get from Jazz fans is that Al is rather hopelessly ineffectual on the defensive end/P&R D etc. That's the main reason I don't especially like this trade.

Also, you're welcome to Blair. Spurs fans would be happy if he was included in this trade tbh.