CORBIN MUST GO!!!!!!!

OldJazzBones · Post #1 » by **OldJazzBones** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 1:58 pm

I am not a"fire the guy" kind of guy,but does anyone else see this? Derrick Favors has a career night IN THE FIRST HALF then sits all of the 4th and overtime.Yeah the comeback BLAH,BLAH,BLAH. Favors was the most dominant force on the floor.
Corbin has ALL of Sloans bad habits,without the knowledge and experience.Give me some Ideas for a coach,and don't say Phil Jackson. I think Brian Shaw would knock it out.

Fido · Post #2 » by **Fido** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 3:38 pm

I am not a"fire the guy" kind of guy...

If you start your own topic with "CORBIN MUST GO!!!!!!!" as the title, you are that kind of guy. :wink:

People get pissed if he doesn't play the hot hand and sticks with the rotation. Favors got most of his numbers in the first quarter. So do you sit Kanter who was on fire to bring in Favors? You certainly aren't taking out Millsap late in the game with things so close.
The jazz fan mantra these days seems to be everything that doesn't work out is the coach's fault and he should be fired. Regardless of what the players on the floor are doing. Don't you think last night would be more the fault of the 3 starters who went 0 for everything last night rather than Corbin?

Post #3 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 4:18 pm

Fido wrote:The jazz fan mantra these days seems to be everything that doesn't work out is the coach's fault and he should be fired. Regardless of what the players on the floor are doing. Don't you think last night would be more the fault of the 3 starters who went 0 for everything last night rather than Corbin?

i'd argue that they shouldn't be starting. they should be bench players (marvin, foye), or out of the league (watson). and that's on the coach.

the jazz starters dug a hole in the first quarter THE ENTIRE SEASON, and relied on the bench to bail them out and get the team back in the game. just so the starters (read - vets) will fall behind again in the third quarter and have the bench bail them out AGAIN. with the exception of big al, none of our starters should be starters. yet corbin stuck with them the ENTIRE SEASON, and stuck to his same rotations regardless of what happens on the court most of the time, and the bucks game was a great example of that.

he does not bench veterans and give them waaaaaay to much credit even if they can't hack it anymore, like raja. like watson. his only change was to bench hayward, of all players. yet marvin was off the whole year and he's still starting. same goes for watson.

last night i actually don't think corbin was that bad. if millsap makes a FT the jazz win the game. so i'm not criticizing him necessarily because of the last game, but because of what we see from him the entire year. i really really REALLY wanted to give him a chance. i wrote here that i'd be willing to give him until the end of next season before i give up on him, but he really makes it hard to stick to it. i hope he can learn and improve, but i really don't see any significant improvement from him. from all accounts he is a really good guy, and i hope for all parties involved he'll grow and become a good coach. i'd still give him until next season, but i think i can already say that i was wrong, and that some people here were right, and relatively early too. i don't think he's a long term answer for this team. maybe he needs a few more seasons as an assistant coach, or a different roster and environment, but at this point i don't think he's the answer for the jazz's head coach position long term.

if we're throwing names - i'd like to kidnap adelman from Minnesota, or hire SVG. nate mcmillan is also an option. wouldn't mind seeing a sloan\johnson reunion and let them retire the right way.

pickIBL · Post #4 » by **pickIBL** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:23 pm

Skiles will get everything out of your team... but the players may grow to hate him.

Post #5 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:32 pm

i like skiles, but only as an assistant coach. he is a great defensive coach, and an awful offensive coach. and yes, he will burn himself out after a while, just like doug collins.

ack · Post #6 » by **ack** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:42 pm

Why not hire European coaches? Ivkovic, Obradovic, Messina.

Post #7 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:59 pm

ack wrote:Why not hire European coaches? Ivkovic, Obradovic, Messina.

because as good as obradovic is, he will never fit in the NBA mentality. there is no way he will put up with what NBA players get away with in this day and age. if you think players will end up hating skiles eventually - they will hate obradovic after the first practice. oil and water. same for ivkovic.

i don't see messina taking a head coaching job in the NBA either. he's actually a good fit, but he seemed to have had enough as an assistant with the lakers and chose to go back to europe.

if you want to go "euro", i'd go with david blatt (who is actually not a euro). born and raised in the US, fluent in english so there is no language barrier as it is his native tongue. he'll mesh better in terms of culture and approach to the game. he has the resume', he's worked with countless NBA players, and AK called him the best coach he's ever had. he's a great system coach, who excels with deep teams, as he likes to use many different lineup and rotations. he's a great system coach, and i actually think he will fit very well with the jazz.

Fido · Post #8 » by **Fido** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 7:46 pm

And to Corbin's credit, the 3 starters who were so awful didn't play very much (somewhere around 20 min is what I heard). But to be fair to Corbin, he didn't sign these guys if they don't belong in the league. He has to work with who he has and is missing a bunch of guys due to injury. If you put all the young guys in the starting lineup and have the non-performers on your bench, then it is your bench that causes you issues. I'm not sure how you deal with that.
PS: I'm not a Corbin lover or feel like he is making no mistakes here--I just think people are overreacting as there is just no easy fix with the roster they currently have. Next year is an opportunity to make some things happen when most of the vets that aren't getting it done are out of their contracts. Is Corbin on his last year of his contract? I don't recall. But I really don't see them firing him with time left on it.

Post #9 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 7:50 pm

yes, next year is the last on corbin's contract as far as i can recall.

ack · Post #10 » by **ack** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 7:52 pm

I forgot him

And yes he is one of the better coaches. The reasons I want european coaches is zone defence, offense systems. And If a player is hot he is getting the minutes. Not like a vet like marvin getting all the minutes.

pickIBL · Post #11 » by **pickIBL** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 8:52 pm

Blatt will get his shot in the NBA eventually as I've noted in the past. He had an outside shot when avery got fired earlier. I don't think you have to spend big bucks on a coach. Blatt is a legit option to pair with an experienced ast coach. I really like Larry Eustachy and I keep saying he's going to end up on you know's bench soon.

slcjosh · Post #12 » by **slcjosh** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 9:00 pm

ack wrote:I forgot him And yes he is one of the better coaches. The reasons I want european coaches is zone defence, offense systems. And If a player is hot he is getting the minutes. Not like a vet like marvin getting all the minutes.

If the European coaches were worth a damn they would have jobs in the nba. get real. The hating on corbin crap has to go. Its not his fault last night demarre and paul both missed freethrows that should have sealed the game.

idajazz · Post #13 » by **idajazz** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 10:02 pm

I went for many years without missing many games, ever since
Corbin my interest has been steadily waning. It's to the point that I would rather watch reruns of duck dynasty.

It's hard to lay all the blame at Corbin's feet, but he takes the lions share.
This team just doesn't have any fire, personality, and are not much to watch.

I hope that the front office can see the apathy of fans and make some changes.

A new coach, and a go to player with any kind of personality would be a great start.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #14 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 10:31 pm

At the very least Hornacek would be a better head coach.

ack · Post #15 » by **ack** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 10:54 pm

slcjosh wrote:
ack wrote:I forgot him And yes he is one of the better coaches. The reasons I want european coaches is zone defence, offense systems. And If a player is hot he is getting the minutes. Not like a vet like marvin getting all the minutes.

If the European coaches were worth a damn they would have jobs in the nba. get real. The hating on corbin crap has to go. Its not his fault last night demarre and paul both missed freethrows that should have sealed the game.

lol

KDBG · Post #16 » by **KDBG** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 11:20 pm

I'm not a Corbin hater, and I think people overreact way too much with him. Yes, he has weird substitution patterns. Yes, he's a mediocre, stick to the status quo type of guy. He seems to speak empty rhetoric at times. But we could do much worse. Much, much worse.

People talk about how with all of the talent we have, most other coaches would make us at least a top 4 team in the west. And I'm sorry, but that's really stupid. Do you know how many teams have been stacked with "talent", mainly multiple lottery picks, and they've sucked a$$ for years? Think of the early Clippers teams that drafted top 5, top 10 talent year after year. By no means am I saying Corbin is doing a great job, I'm just saying he's not the worst coach in the league either.

A good comparison for Corbin would be Alvin Gentry. Alvin Gentry pretty much ran the exact same system that D'Antoni had some success with, and that Nash had success with. He wasn't ever a horrible coach, but he wasn't an elite coach either. He just played it safe, and did his job. He took the Suns to the Western Conference Finals a couple years ago by doing his job that way.

Like the rest of you, I would LOVE an elite coach like Thibbs, Doc, Pops, Phil Jackson, ect. But most teams don't have elite coaches. There are only a handful of them in the entire league. So we can either go through the coaching fire carousel until we find a elite coach, or we can be somewhat grateful that we don't have a Kurt Rambis type coach. This is a players league anyway. I'm more concerned about getting a true leader on the court (Myck Kabongo, Marcus Smart.)

And please, if people want to point a finger, point it at the front office. Corbin is in a tough spot. I've said it over and over again. Can you imagine the turmoil and drama in our locker room if we benched our highest paid players like Sap, Big Al, Marvin, and Mo? Holy hell, are record would probably be even worse because of it. That's the FO's job to make Corbin's job less of a headache. If next season, we let go of all of the vets, and play the young guys, and Corbin is still not improving, than go ahead and point the finger at him. But right now, if you're upset, direct your anger towards the FO.

kebutah · Post #17 » by **kebutah** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 11:51 pm

Corbin is not mediocre. He is below average. Using the logic that we could do much worse is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. If you want to be the best at anything you don't compare yourself to the bottom of your industry-you compare with the top. By accepting the reasoning that we are not the worst we will always be competing for the bottom rungs of the playoffs.

dr0welf · Post #18 » by **dr0welf** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 1:00 am

I don't think this is all about last nights game.... it's about a whole season of games. Lack of play calling out of time outs. Lack of being able to make the tough decision when needed. Bad management of time out usage which did play into last nights game. He's a great assistant coach, but I don't know if he has what it takes to be the head coach. I'd love to keep him on as an assistant coach, but I don't see his value in the head coach arena.

I don't see him coaching a team to the Finals. If you want to stay middle of the pack, keep the good players and the mediocre coach.

vandenberg41 · Post #19 » by **vandenberg41** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 1:39 am

Corbin has no bench skill, and apparently doesn't appreciate the defense of Favors. But we do know he like to ignorantly post up Milsap at the end of games (w/o big al) and condones milsap putting his head down and driving to the hoop... regardless of how unsuccessful it proves.

Post #20 » by **StocktonShorts** » Wed Mar 6, 2013 1:55 am

dr0welf wrote:I don't think this is all about last nights game.... it's about a whole season of games. Lack of play calling out of time outs. Lack of being able to make the tough decision when needed. Bad management of time out usage which did play into last nights game. He's a great assistant coach, but I don't know if he has what it takes to be the head coach. I'd love to keep him on as an assistant coach, but I don't see his value in the head coach arena.

I don't see him coaching a team to the Finals. If you want to stay middle of the pack, keep the good players and the mediocre coach.

Thank you for saying this. Locke and others are treating the fans as if they're reacting to one substitution decision Ty made last night rather than his whole coaching performance.