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Help with the this train of thought, please.

If Al and Paul do walk away and the Jazz get nothing in return, why is it so bad?

Because they don't truly get nothing in return. They get a ton of cap space to try and attempt to attract a free agent and have money to resign their young guys. This isn't even talking about a potential TPE or something small along those lines.

I don't want to come across as a blind follower. I would much rather see the two leave with nothing in return than take on some ridiculous contract that is going to kill and chance of signing free agents or the young guys.

If they do leave, and a sign and trade isn't possible, tell me which desireable/needed free agents Utah will be able to convince to come to Utah due to their cap room as opposed to another team? I would seriously like to know which couple of free agents you think that the Jazz will be able to realistically sign this summer that fits needs and goals moving forward, including not tying up too much future money with too big/long of a contract. I'm not trying to be flippant, I am really interested if you have any ideas or suggestions.

SoCalJazzFan wrote:If they do leave, and a sign and trade isn't possible, tell me which desireable/needed free agents Utah will be able to convince to come to Utah due to their cap room as opposed to another team? I would seriously like to know which couple of free agents you think that the Jazz will be able to realistically sign this summer that fits needs and goals moving forward, including not tying up too much future money with too big/long of a contract. I'm not trying to be flippant, I am really interested if you have any ideas or suggestions.

this is a valid concern. imho however, it more and more looks like the jazz will not try to chase after big FA's this summer. one reason is that there aren't any. the other is that i think they will try to use the cap space to absorb a good player with a big contract via a trade. it doesn't necessarily have to be next season, though the pau gasol scenario (which i am not a fan of) sounds plausible, and is a good example for the use of the cap space at least.

i think (and hope) the plan for next year is to give big minutes for the C4, and letting at least one of millsap and al go, and maybe both. if they are both gone with no return, the jazz will fill the roster with 1 year rentals to get to the salary floor, while playing the C4 heavy minutes and preserving cap flexibility for a trade on a good player with a big contract. if we miss the playoffs next year - the draft should be really strong.

if we look beyond next season - the 2014-2015 FA class is stacked. and at that time, the jazz could get a good FA by throwing money at them (where cap flexibility comes into play again) because even if they miss out on one there will be others good FA's as consolation prizes.

Inigo Montoya wrote:this is a valid concern. imho however, it more and more looks like the jazz will not try to chase after big FA's this summer. one reason is that there aren't any. the other is that i think they will try to use the cap space to absorb a good player with a big contract via a trade. it doesn't necessarily have to be next season, though the pau gasol scenario (which i am not a fan of) sounds plausible, and is a good example for the use of the cap space at least.

What he said.

The Jazz will be shopping for trades with teams who are over the luxury tax.

If it's a good player the Jazz want and acquiring him would save the other team significant money, they could get him for not much more than a draft pick and/or a young player like Jeremy Evans (example: Al Jeffersonn trade).

If it's a mediocre-to-bad player on a bad contract the Jazz could acquire draft picks just for absorbing the contract.

I think the problem is, once our guys are gone, we no longer have any value except our core. When we had Boozer and Dwill we had all the trade value in the world. We emptied and did pretty good for ourselves. But how are we going to continue to get more lottery picks outside not making playoffs(which is not an option, do we really want to give Lakers the satisfaction).

I figure if we could land someone like CP3, then we would have done well, cause we could trade him for a top 3 pick. Although we would probably want to keep him.

I think best two future teams:

1-Cavs
2-Jazz

i seem to have noticed quite a few teams getting draft picks for absorbing contracts other teams want to get rid of this last trade deadline. example: the cleveland - memphis deal.

I figure if we could land someone like CP3, then we would have done well, cause we could trade him for a top 3 pick. Although we would probably want to keep him.

what???

I am saying if we didn't trade for anybody, and we don't sign anyone, we don't get anything from them. But if we got someone like CP3, we would retain the value we had in Paul and Al, both on the floor and in trade value.

14/15 Season Best Teams:

Utah:
CP3 - Burks - Hayward - Favors - Kanter

Cavs:
Irving - Waiters - Gee(replaced) - LeBron - Zeller

^^ so you're saying if we got CP3 then we'd be better? Brilliant analysis.

I am not saying that we will get an AAA free agent this off season or next. It just doesn't work out that way for almost 2/3rd's the league.

I do think that we can get under appreciated and send tier guys, like how we did with Boozer and Okur.

There is no way that we get CP3. Let's stop that talk before we embarrass ourselves too much.

I do think that with the new CBA structure it will be very beneficial for us to be under the cap like we are.