Future Salaries for Core

[SoCalJazzFan]

1. For those who are CBA wizards, up to how much could the Jazz pay Favors, Hayward, Kanter and Burks? I've read that since none of them will have played in 2 all star games, etc. that they won't be eligible for the max contract, but something less, however, I am not sure of the details.

2. Is only one player eligible for a 5 year deal, vs a 4 yr deal, or all?

3. Obviously, all can't be the designated franchise player or get max contracts, so what do you think the Jazz will offer each to keep them (they are all restricted so it comes down to paying more than another team is willing/able to pay)?

[The59Sound]

I predict they'll all be overpaid, and that Burks will get an offer sheet we won't match.

Barring an extreme change in their production, positive of negative, I expect Hayward to pull in 10, Favors 12ish (with a margin of error in either direction), and Burks 6-8. I won't venture a guess about Kanter yet.

Good thread idea, by the way. I'm not a CBA expert, but I'm interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on their value as compared to what they'll actually get.

[Inigo Montoya]

1. For those who are CBA wizards, up to how much could the Jazz pay Favors, Hayward, Kanter and Burks? I've read that since none of them will have played in 2 all star games, etc. that they won't be eligible for the max contract, but something less, however, I am not sure of the details.

* skip to the end for the short answer

players are eligible for a max contract if they comply with one of the following:

Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team at least twice
Voted as a starter in the All-Star game at least twice
Named the NBA Most Valuable Player at least once

the max the jazz could pay in that case is 25% of the cap, which is $13,668,750 per year (under the 2013 cap, not including yearly raise). this is in accordance to the scale in regards to their number of years in the league (0-6).

see #16+#17: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

this is for favors and hayward next year. kanter and burks will be available for extension a year later with slightly different figures. anyway, this is the max they can get, but obviously not what they are going to get.

if they are not eligible for a max contract, the most they could get is anything under $13,668,750 per year.

2. Is only one player eligible for a 5 year deal, vs a 4 yr deal, or all?

yes, only one player from any team's roster is eligible for a 5 year deal. the team will have to be use the "franchise tag" on him for that. at least that's what i remember from the last CBA negotiations.

3. Obviously, all can't be the designated franchise player or get max contracts, so what do you think the Jazz will offer each to keep them (they are all restricted so it comes down to paying more than another team is willing/able to pay)?

since they are all restricted, it will come down to paying as much as another team, and not more than others are willing to pay since the jazz can match any offer.

favors is the trickiest - the jazz will probably try to be their cheap selves and won't be able to reach an agreement, and then will be forced to match an offer from another team. my guess is 4 years 44M-48M, which is 11M-12M per year.

hayward is going to get a 4 year 28M-36M, which is 7M-9M per year.

burks is also tricky, because his value is not clear yet as he didn't get a full chance to show what he can do. i'll reserve judgement but if i had to gamble i'd say 5M per year.

as for kanter, if he beasts (which he will) and put up great numbers, it depends on his allstar chances. without those, he'll get a similar offer to favors, around 11M-12M per year for 4 years.

[Jazzy13]

Burks - TBD
Hayward - Yr 1 starts at 10 per
Favors- Max
Kanter- Max

Bigs get paid.

[Neon Black]

I could be wrong, but I see Favors walking a similar path to Ibaka in the coming years.

[RyanStorm]

I predicted:

That Burks would go the route of Ronnie Brewer, must have player but things just don't go as easy

Hayward becomes Franchise Player like Hornacek

Favors becomes Franchise Player like Malone

Kanter goes the route of Boozer

[RyanStorm]

OH and that Murphy would go the route of Maynor

[Jazzfan12]

Favors: 4/58 (Max)
Kanter: 4/58 (Max)
Hayward: 4/40
Burks: Hasn't played enough to tell

[Inigo Montoya]

for anyone who wrote that favors and\or kanter will get the max:

players are eligible for a max contract if they comply with one of the following:

Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team at least twice
Voted as a starter in the All-Star game at least twice
Named the NBA Most Valuable Player at least once

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

without complying with at least one of those conditions, they can't get 4y/58M.

i guess by "max" we should mean "the maximum money they can get without it being the NBA's definition of a max deal".

[Fido]

The Jazz have used the negotiation tact of "if you think you deserve more money than we are willing to offer you, go out and set your value in the market and we'll match if we are still okay with the cost". That worked with both Millsap and Matthews--though in Matthews case the value he had "in the market" was too high for the Jazz. Hearing Matthews say that he hoped to stay in Utah after the Jazz didn't match was interesting though...he either assumed the Jazz WOULD match a contract that high. Negotiations like this are fascinating to me. It will be interesting to see how extention negotiations go with both Favors and Hayward--as both have been labeled as building blocks. With all the cap room I don't anticipate them finding agreements with them. Even more tricky will be the Kanter and Burks negotiations in 2014. What happens this offseason and how the team does in 2013-14 could have an impact on how those negotiations go next summer.

[pickIBL]

for these guys to be worth what you are saying... and command it on the open market.... any Jazz tanking next year could not be successful.

[The59Sound]

for these guys to be worth what you are saying... and command it on the open market.... any Jazz tanking next year could not be successful.

Well, we've seen countless situations where people command much more than they should on the open market. So, I do think it's likely that teams will overpay by a good margin for these guys -- especially for Favors, who is already an elite defender and young and athletic enough for teams to see "potential" in his offensive game.

I'd love to be wrong and bring Hayward back for 6-8 and Favors for 8-10, but I think there's a number of teams that could go cray cray on the offers, and the Jazz will end up matching just about anything.

[SoCalJazzFan]

From my reading of the CBA (thanks to your links), the most the Jazz could offer to any of their rookies is a 5 yr $75M deal, counting 7.5% raises each year- or an average $15M per year.

I've looked up wings that are good, but not perennial All Stars to see where GH might fit in. According to Hollinger, GH is the #7SG with a PER of 17.01 this season, which is impressive, if not surprising.

Shooting Guards-
All ranked above GH are perennial All Stars/franchise type players.
Crawford is the #8, with a 16.85 PER, making $5.5M per year
Wilson Chandler is #11 with a 16.40 PER, making $6.5M.
JJ Redick is #18, with 15.0 PER, making $6.5M.

Small Forwards (these seemt to be a better comparison to me)-
Ilysavo is #6 with 18.30 PER, making $8M/yr
Thad Young is #7 with 17.95 PER, at $9M/yr
AK47 is #8 with 17.76 PER, at $10M
Gallanari is #13 with 16.78 PER, at $10M
Batum is #16 with 15.78 PER, at $11M

I think that Batum is overpaid, and you look at Ilysova and Gallanari's deals (relatively recent) to peg GH, or in other words $8M-$10M/yr (4 yr $32M-$40M deal).

Even though GH has averaged 30 mins per game the past two years, he was not an All Star invite, or even close to it. At times he has looked great, at others barely worthy of his position as an NBA player. His inconsistency has been an enigma, and I think that he needs to show he can play more consistently next year.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Favors is more difficult to project, in my opinion. He has shown glimpses of brilliance, and periods of a warm body taking up space on the floor. What I am most looking forward to next year is to see how he performs in a starting role with regular minutes.

Once again, using Hollinger stats, FAvors is the #16 PF with a 17.76 PER.

PFs-
Aldridge #5PF, 20.37 PER at $14M/yr
West #7PF, 20.02 PER at $10M/yr
Lee #9PF, 19.3 PER at $14M/yr
Ibaka #10 PF, 19.25 PER at $12M/yr
Love #13 PF 17.98 PER (down this year due to injury) at $15M/yr*

Centers-
Lopez #1C, 24.92 PER at $15M/yr*
McGee #6, 20.91 PER at $11M.yr
DeAndre Jordan #27, 17.02 PER at $10M/yr
Nene #28, 16.98 PER at $13M/yr

Some on this list are All Stars. Others (such as Jordan and Nene) might be similar to Favors and their contracts are considered albatroses. Is Favors as good as Love or Lopez? Not yet, at least, in my opinion. Looking at this list, it makes me wonder if Favors will even be able to command a $15M/yr (5 yr $75M) contract.

[SoCalJazzFan]

for these guys to be worth what you are saying... and command it on the open market.... any Jazz tanking next year could not be successful.

I agree 100%.

[Jazzfan12]

I doubt that Favors and Kanter get less than Roy Hibbert got.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I doubt that Favors and Kanter get less than Roy Hibbert got.

If either of them were 7'2", 280 lbs with a 7'8" wingspan, I would agree with you.

[Jazzfan12]

Favors is a lot more physically gifted than Hibbert and is a lot younger than he was as well. He'll get 4/58 if the Jazz actually play him starters' minutes next year.

[pickIBL]

what if a player was 7'2, 265, and had a longer wingspan?

[Denizfeital]

People here are really high on Burks and Kanter.

I am not sure if its a good idea to pay Burks (8mi) and Kanter (around 12-14mi) a year, I would not like that at all.

May be its just me.

Regards,

Deniz