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a lot of people have been really down on the jazz's pg situation. but if a pg is drafted, or if burks steps up, then all we really have to worry about is 1 free agent for that position. the best PG free agent obviously is chris paul. but who is 2nd best? i think it is our very own mo williams.

is calderon, or jennings, or thomas, much better alternatives?

I'm not necessarily convinced we need to put down a chunk of change this summer for a PG, but Calderon is definitely a better alternative. Hell, I'd much rather have Devin Harris back than Mo. Jarrett Jack is better (except that he'll be too expensive after this playoff run). Jeff Teague is better.

Mo Williams brings negative value, so there's a whole slue of guys that would be better for the team on the basketball court. It's just a matter of whether this is the right crop of guys to commit long-term money to.

i wish we get off the burks at PG bandwagon and push for him to play his natural position. yeah, he can give you some minutes at the 1 here and there, but the guy has yet to get a real chance at playing at his natural 2 position and got no leeway at all to play his game. as a result, after two years we still don't know what to make of him. let the guy have some real minutes and a real chance to play his game at his position. we'll all be better for it. especially burks.

No mo' Mo.

Burks is not a PG at all. That was just emergency duty for him.

StocktonShorts wrote:No mo' Mo.

AAAAAMEN.

Make a trade for Patrick Beverley. Guy is a very good all-round player.

Beverley
Burks
Hayward
Favors
Kanter

i still expect more mins at the point from burks.... anyway i say Jarrett Jack, maybe Billups or a gamble on darren collison, but i would't overpay none of them. I would try also for a guard like Manu Ginobili that can handle the point... he's expiring, arguably staying in San antonio, but....

Burks
Ginobili
Hayward
Favors
Kanter


another strategy could be using cap space to absorb bad contracts in a trade involving good draft pick (trade for Jason Terry )

Billups?!?!

Have you seen him play lately? He's finished IMO.

I get that mo doesn't help much, but who out there is better? For reals better not just "he's younger so we can raise our hopes higher"?

This is why last year sucked so bad. Why advertise our flexibility if this is all we have to choose from? I'd rather just keep mo for another year than screw ourselves harder with an even more mediocre pg.

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All of the guys I already listed are better than Mo. As I said, and others have echoed, he brings negative value. He doesn't just not help; he makes you worse.

MeestR wrote:I get that mo doesn't help much, but who out there is better? For reals better not just "he's younger so we can raise our hopes higher"?

This is why last year sucked so bad. Why advertise our flexibility if this is all we have to choose from? I'd rather just keep mo for another year than screw ourselves harder with an even more mediocre pg.

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what makes you think mo will want to sign a 1 year deal? he'll be looking for a long term contract.

If there are no real good pg options I wouldnt mind seeing Hayward be the primary ball handler and play a small sg with a 3pt shot who can D up opposing pg with him

I say draft Dennis Shroeder, and resign Earl Watson. Earl is a great mentor to the young guys. Play Burks a ton at the point as well as Dennis and see how quickly they develop. What will likely happen is Burks will develop a ton faster than if he was just given spot minutes. Same with Dennis. I think their development is the most important thing. A solid veteran like Watson will help them with pace, and angles and defense.

We will lose a lot which is a good thing next year because of the stacked draft, and these young guys will grow tremendously. I don't get why next year we would want to do anything but develop the young guys.

To that end I wouldn't resign Foye unless it is very clear that he is back up to Burks at the 2 which means Hayward is now a SF. If we still want to run Hayward as a 2, then we shouldn't resign Foye because he will just stunt the develop of our young guys.

I really want to see Burks develop. Burks has a ton of potential but it can only develop if he is given the time and the opportunity. Hayward got time in his rookie and sophomore campaign but when we consider what he did his first year, it certainly didn't warrant the time he got his second. Burks is stuck behind Hayward which is fine, but we can't stick him behind a veteran who can't defend and can only shoot 3's.

It is time to jump the development into overdrive.

I would like to resign Watson (veteran at PG), resign Carroll and the opting in M. Williams means we have veteran wings to match our younger Hayward/Burks, then sign a vet PF or C like taking on Pau Gasol or Okafor... that gives us vets at every spot to further the young guys development but we won't be good enought to make the playoff and that way we will get one more lottery piece in a great draft to move forward into the future with.

I feel like we need to take one step back in this good draft year to move two steps forward.

^^ I'd be fine with this plan.

i don't like this plan.

1. you will not lose a ton of games if you bring in gasol. okafor is another story, but if that's who you want to bring, you might as well just let kanter start.

2. i don't want watson as a player on this team in any capacity. not even as a 3rd PG. we saw that depth is needed and he really can't play anymore. i'd welcome him as a part of the coaching staff though. he can still mentor players from that position.

3. why on earth do we want burks to play a ton of minutes at the PG position? it will be his 3rd year already at that point, and he'd yet to get meaningful and significant PT at his natural position. play him a lot at the 2, play gordon at the 3, let marvin come off the bench as a 3 or a stretch 4.

4. if you draft Schroeder, your proposed starting 5 will be Schroeder, Burks, Hayward, Gasol\Okafor, and i assume Favors. that lineup will have a really hard time scoring and hitting outside shots. in which case, opponents will pack the paint, rendering shroeder and burks useless and ineffective, and make it hard on favors as well. don't like it. get a PG who can shoot, can play off the ball (and thus letting hayward and burks have more touches and playmaking which will help their development without playing them out of position), doesn't need the ball to be effective and scores in the flow of the game. it is a much better fit.

5. get rid of corbin.

blackham9258 wrote:I say draft Dennis Shroeder, and resign Earl Watson. Earl is a great mentor to the young guys. Play Burks a ton at the point as well as Dennis and see how quickly they develop. What will likely happen is Burks will develop a ton faster than if he was just given spot minutes. Same with Dennis. I think their development is the most important thing. A solid veteran like Watson will help them with pace, and angles and defense.

We will lose a lot which is a good thing next year because of the stacked draft, and these young guys will grow tremendously. I don't get why next year we would want to do anything but develop the young guys.

To that end I wouldn't resign Foye unless it is very clear that he is back up to Burks at the 2 which means Hayward is now a SF. If we still want to run Hayward as a 2, then we shouldn't resign Foye because he will just stunt the develop of our young guys.

I really want to see Burks develop. Burks has a ton of potential but it can only develop if he is given the time and the opportunity. Hayward got time in his rookie and sophomore campaign but when we consider what he did his first year, it certainly didn't warrant the time he got his second. Burks is stuck behind Hayward which is fine, but we can't stick him behind a veteran who can't defend and can only shoot 3's.

It is time to jump the development into overdrive.

I would like to resign Watson (veteran at PG), resign Carroll and the opting in M. Williams means we have veteran wings to match our younger Hayward/Burks, then sign a vet PF or C like taking on Pau Gasol or Okafor... that gives us vets at every spot to further the young guys development but we won't be good enought to make the playoff and that way we will get one more lottery piece in a great draft to move forward into the future with.

I feel like we need to take one step back in this good draft year to move two steps forward.

I like this plan..just replace Tinsley with the word Watson... we should forget going after a vetran PG unless a miracle happens like getting Lillard from the blazers or Chris Paul.. even Jose Calderon I'd look at with his assist ratio but generally I think we should draft and look to the future.

I see 3 tiers or types of PGs the Jazz could go after.

Tier 1- more expensive, veteran, probably expect to be starter:

Mo (30 yrs old start next year, 14.47 PER, 2012/13 salary $8.5 M, last year of 6 yr $51M contract). I think that Mo will command a 3 year deal in the $6M-$8M per year range.

Calderon (32 yrs, 18.8 PER, $11M at end of 5 yr $45M deal). I think that Calderon will command a 3 yr deal in the $7M-$9M/yr range.

Jack (30 yrs, 15.93 PER, $5.4 M at end of 4 yr $20M deal). I think that Jack will command a 3 yr deal for $6M-$8M per year. I don't think that Jack has to be a starter, though.

Tier 2- not quite as expensive, might be full-time starter material but good enough, and could be backup:

Jack straddles Tier 1 and Tier 2.

Nate Robinson (29 yrs, 17.43 PER $1M end of 1 yr deal). I think that Nate's height has killed his value in past, but the run this year will get him a better deal, but not as good as those above. I can see a 3 yr deal at $3M-$5M per year.

Collison (26 yrs, 16.37 PER, $2.3M last guaranteed year of rookied deal). I think that Collison is on the verge of becoming a permanent backup, and has one last chance to show that he is starting material. I think that he would take a 1-2 yr deal for $3M-$4M per year if given the chance to start or play significant minutes to prove his worth. Quite frankly, I don't think he gets much better offers than this, so a team doesn't have to commit to him being the starter.

Tier 3- not very expensive, backup for sure:

CJ Watson (29 yrs, 13.9 PER, $1.1M Player Option next year) I think that a 2 yr deal at $1.5M-$2.5M would get CJ.

Will Bynum (30 yrs, 16.6 PER, $3.25M at end of a 3 yr $9.75M deal) I think that a similar deal could be had for Bynum. Perhaps even a 1 yr deal for less than $2M.

Patty Mills (25 yrs, 14.2 PER, $1.1M Player Option) I think that a 2-3 yr deald worth $2M-$3M per year would get Mills.

Approches:

I think that nearly everyone has soured on Mo after this past season. The thought of committing to him for 3 yrs at a pretty big contract and his expectation of being a starter is not appealing, and I hope that the Jazz don't resort to this.

I think that Calderon could be good, but I have concerns about his age, the length and cost of his contract, and if he wil be a smaller version of Al Jefferson (his defense offsets his offense, and actually makes the team overall worse).

Jack might be a decent option if he could be had for 3 yrs and no more than $21M. He could be a starter, but would also probably be willing to be a backup.

Along those lines, I think that Nate Robinson would be an even better option as he would most likely be cheaper, give similar, if not better, results, and would slide into a backup role if it came to that.

If the Jazz could sign both Robinson and Jack to 3 yr deals for about $10M-$12M/yr combined, that would be a pretty good get. Let them duke it out to see who starts, or start according to matchups on a game to game basis. The Jazz rookie PGOTF would have a year or so to get acclimated and the Jazz could move one of Jack or Robinson to the backup, and trade the other as the contracts are reasonable. This is probably my first option to pursue.

Collison might be willing to take a 1 yr deal (or a 2nd year non-guaranteed or player option, etc) where he is the starting PG to prove himself. He could be had for relatively cheap and there is still the chance he has an upside he has occasionally shown in the past. If he doesn't perform, then the Jazz have an even better draft pick next year. This, with a CJ Watson or Bynum type backup, would be my second choice as it keeps the flexibility the Jazz are looking for.

In fact, CJ Watson or Will Bynum on a 2 yr deal to back up any of the above would be an upgrade over the PG backups of the recent past. In fact, any combo of the above could be an upgrade over what we had this past year.

I'm not sure it is fair to Dennis Schroder to ask him to step right in & start right away. I understand drafting him... but there will be a learning curve. I'd again throw Maynor out there. Possibly Schroder could overtake him in the future... but I'd plan on someone like Maynor taking the helm.

Crabbe & Karasev in the first are shooters... pure shooters. James Ennis gets my vote in the 2nd round. Pietro Aradori had a really good year in Italy. The Jazz could just sign him outright.

I just agree with picking up a couple of big expiring contracts... and then the FO needs to be good scouts on top of that. I'd rather the roster spot go to Aradori on a one year deal with some team option years. Or of course my other guy... Sonny Weems who is older than Aradori.

make a trade for the jimmer.