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At the trade deadline, According to the folks at 1320 and David Locke.

Discuss.

http://1280thezone.com/index.php/audio/listen/the_big_show_utah_jazz_radio_voice_david_locke3#

At the 15:30 mark.

That should tell you how desperate they are to trade him. Dude is always injured and seems to have a bad attitude.

Glad they didn't, personally. Think either one is worth more.

This is the classic case of not doing a deal is the best deal.

There has to be more to the story! Like Eric Gordon saying that he wouldn't come to Utah or something.

Otherwise, turning down Eric Gordon for either Paul Milsap or Big Al would be grounds for termination of a GM, if it were true.

Eric Gordon is the type of player that you can build a team around. Obviously it shows a severe lack of maturity that he faked injury for much of this year, because he was so mad that NO matched his offer sheet from Phoenix, but he would have been a bargain for players that we are probably not going to re-sign.

Eric Gordon was one of the principal pieces of the Chris Paul trade, so prior to the New Orleans fiasco that shows his market value back then.

If we could do a sign and trade with either Big Al or Milsap for Eric Gordon, and IF Eric Gordon wanted to come here, then I say we give into his ego and pull the trigger. Is he really that much less mature than Deron Williams? Talent it talent!

eric gordon's will to come to utah or not is almost completely irrelevant, since he is under contract for 3 more years. not only that, he's got such a bad reputation regarding his behavior and stuff mentioned above me, that he really can't afford to sulk and cause problems. after bitching and not wanting NO to match the offer sheet he got from phoenix, suspicion of faking injuries, run-ins with his coach and more, he can't afford not being on his best behavior in a new situation.

i'd be more worried about his health and injury history though, since he hardly plays anymore and so far averaging only 49 games per season.

as for his value before the paul trade - a big part of that value was due to the fact that he was still on a rookie contract. on a max contract, he is much less attractive.

finnegan wrote:There has to be more to the story! Like Eric Gordon saying that he wouldn't come to Utah or something.

Otherwise, turning down Eric Gordon for either Paul Milsap or Big Al would be grounds for termination of a GM, if it were true.

Eric Gordon is the type of player that you can build a team around. Obviously it shows a severe lack of maturity that he faked injury for much of this year, because he was so mad that NO matched his offer sheet from Phoenix, but he would have been a bargain for players that we are probably not going to re-sign.

Eric Gordon is an injury-prone, inefficient, one-dimensional scorer who doesn't defend and is on a max contract.

I think the Jazz probably should have traded for him as well, but I don't think you really build a team around him.

Jazzfan12 wrote:Eric Gordon is an injury-prone, inefficient, one-dimensional scorer who doesn't defend and is on a max contract.

I think the Jazz probably should have traded for him as well

best post ever.

Inigo Montoya wrote:

Jazzfan12 wrote:Eric Gordon is an injury-prone, inefficient, one-dimensional scorer who doesn't defend and is on a max contract.

I think the Jazz probably should have traded for him as well

best post ever.

He could become OK though!

His ceiling isn't as high as some think and he's a risk, but he's still pretty talented and could probably be moved if it doesn't work out.

Jazzfan12 wrote:
Eric Gordon is an injury-prone, inefficient, one-dimensional scorer who doesn't defend and is on a max contract.

I think the Jazz probably should have traded for him as well, but I don't think you really build a team around him.

Wow Jazzfan, thats like you see a gal somewhere and say:

She's ugly, fat, dirty with 3 kids all from different daddys

I would still smash though

Let's trade for Joe Johnson while we're at it.

reapaman wrote:

Jazzfan12 wrote:
Eric Gordon is an injury-prone, inefficient, one-dimensional scorer who doesn't defend and is on a max contract.

I think the Jazz probably should have traded for him as well, but I don't think you really build a team around him.

Wow Jazzfan, thats like you see a gal somewhere and say:

She's ugly, fat, dirty with 3 kids all from different daddys

I would still smash though

Hey, you don't have to build a life around her!

Jazzfan12 wrote:He could become OK though!

His ceiling isn't as high as some think and he's a risk, but he's still pretty talented and could probably be moved if it doesn't work out.

he's a good player when he's healthy, which doesn't happen often. he is averaging 49 games per season.

could he be moved if it doesn't work out? i'd say that since the jazz passed on getting him in exchange for al or millsap who are likely leaving for nothing now, his value is pretty low and he'll be very hard to move. it is also likely the jazz weren't the only ones who where offered gordon, and now that we know his asking price, the fact he is still in NO should speak volumes about how hard it is to move him.

Inigo Montoya wrote:eric gordon's will to come to utah or not is almost completely irrelevant, since he is under contract for 3 more years.

That's what the New Orleans Front Office said when they matched the offer, even though Eric Gordon had asked them not to.

Now they are going to get 10 cents on the dollar for him.

When Eric Gordon's game is on go back and look at the teams that they beat, and then tell me he is not the caliber of player to build a team around.

His game mostly consists of which silk tie to wear, which is a pretty good reason not to build around him.

finnegan wrote:

Inigo Montoya wrote:eric gordon's will to come to utah or not is almost completely irrelevant, since he is under contract for 3 more years.

That's what the New Orleans Front Office said when they matched the offer, even though Eric Gordon had asked them not to.

Now they are going to get 10 cents on the dollar for him.

When Eric Gordon's game is on go back and look at the teams that they beat, and then tell me he is not the caliber of player to build a team around.

The 10 cents on the dollar is why we dont want him. You can't count on him. His talent is worthless without consistency. You can't build around him, because of that.

finnegan wrote:That's what the New Orleans Front Office said when they matched the offer, even though Eric Gordon had asked them not to.

Now they are going to get 10 cents on the dollar for him.

batum asked portland not to match and they did. that's what players do, at the advice of their agent. they are going to get 10 cents on the dollar because of his injury issues, not because they matched an offer he asked them not to. i'll say it again - he averages 49 games per season, and has a max deal. that's what decreases his value more than anything.

finnegan wrote:When Eric Gordon's game is on go back and look at the teams that they beat, and then tell me he is not the caliber of player to build a team around.

eric gordon is a very good player. i really like his game. but how often is he healthy in order for his game to be on? you can't build around him not because of his abilities, but because of the combination of his injuries and his contract. and btw, he is yet to play for a team with a .500 record or better. he's got a combination of 49 games played per season, and an average record of 25.6 wins per season. you tell me if that's a player to build around.

So did new orleans give the max contract to gordon because trading one max player for another somehow makes an awful trade seem better. Even if Gordon weren't injury prone, he wouldn't be worth the max. If you trade for him I think you are betting that Gordon will have a career like Curry, but Curry is a revelation going from shooting guard to a true pt. guard. I think you are high if you hope that Gordon can do the same.

Inigo Montoya wrote:

finnegan wrote:When Eric Gordon's game is on go back and look at the teams that they beat, and then tell me he is not the caliber of player to build a team around.

eric gordon is a very good player. i really like his game. but how often is he healthy in order for his game to be on? you can't build around him not because of his abilities, but because of the combination of his injuries and his contract. and btw, he is yet to play for a team with a .500 record or better. he's got a combination of 49 games played per season, and an average record of 25.6 wins per season. you tell me if that's a player to build around.

So you are saying that he has a win ratio of 25.6/49 or 52% on super crappy teams. What is the win ratio of those same teams, when he doesn't play. I'm guessing around 20% to 25%, so yes he is definitely a max player if you can increase your teams win ratio by 25% to 30%.

But I do agree with King that Gordon's lack of reliability (real injury or faking injury) does make him a pretty big risk. However; if a team can win his heart over like Phoenix did, then I would definitely pull the trigger for an expiring, who I am not likely to re-sign.