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So I was on another forum, and a poster said that you don't have to spend enough money on free agents to hit the salary floor, which is 90% of the cap. But if you don't hit the salary floor, the difference between your team's payroll and the salary floor will be dispersed equally between every player on your roster.

I say f*** signing veterans, let's go completely young. Don't give any reason for the core 4 not to get playing time. I'm sure the core 4 and the rest of the team would be thrilled as well. They'd be getting a big fat bonus at the end of the year.

The Jazz have to sell tickets. About 20% of the fans are diehards. They'll keep coming back not matter what. Another 20% are very occasional ticket buyers. Those sales have to be continually replaced.

Then there is the middle sixty percent. A small portion of them are likely supporters of playing the young guys, but most of them are fair weather supporters. If the Jazz aren't winning they'll be a lot of green seats empty regardless of who is playing. Empty green seats are bad news. Even if the seat was sold but no one showed up, it looks bad on television and hurts future ticket sales, merchandise sales, etc. Food revenues drop when the seats are empty. Luxury box revenue falls.

The Jazz don't have the big TV revenues like big city teams. The Lakers could give away all their tickets and with their TV revenues alone they would be profitable.

The Jazz need ticket revenue, merchandise sales and food revenues to go with the TV money to make a very small profit.

So I don't think you'll see them just sign their draft choices, add a couple of cheap players and let the young guys play. They need to win enough games to make the playoffs or the Bear is going to have hard winter.

I think DL has other plans: tanking.

retiredcoach wrote:The Jazz have to sell tickets. About 20% of the fans are diehards. They'll keep coming back not matter what. Another 20% are very occasional ticket buyers. Those sales have to be continually replaced.

Then there is the middle sixty percent. A small portion of them are likely supporters of playing the young guys, but most of them are fair weather supporters. If the Jazz aren't winning they'll be a lot of green seats empty regardless of who is playing. Empty green seats are bad news. Even if the seat was sold but no one showed up, it looks bad on television and hurts future ticket sales, merchandise sales, etc. Food revenues drop when the seats are empty. Luxury box revenue falls.

The Jazz don't have the big TV revenues like big city teams. The Lakers could give away all their tickets and with their TV revenues alone they would be profitable.

The Jazz need ticket revenue, merchandise sales and food revenues to go with the TV money to make a very small profit.

So I don't think you'll see them just sign their draft choices, add a couple of cheap players and let the young guys play. They need to win enough games to make the playoffs or the Bear is going to have hard winter.

Plenty of small market teams lose games year after year. A single year of trying to regroup and get past the rut of mediocrity we are mired in isn't going to kill the franchise.

king everything » Mon May 27, 2013 9:14 pm

Plenty of small market teams lose games year after year. A single year of trying to regroup and get past the rut of mediocrity we are mired in isn't going to kill the franchise.

One year of "regrouping", whatever that is, won't get the Jazz pasted anything. The team is average in terms of the NBA, not mediocre. In the next five years if they are lucky they'll move into the top 25%, but it's not a gimme. Championship, Western Conf Finals team--no.

Living in the cellar and collecting draft choices won't keep Hayward, Favors and Kanter signed.

Why don't you ask the Miller's if they're comfortable losing money for say the next 5 years and then suddenly the Jazz will be championship team. Dream on.

retiredcoach wrote:

king everything » Mon May 27, 2013 9:14 pm

Plenty of small market teams lose games year after year. A single year of trying to regroup and get past the rut of mediocrity we are mired in isn't going to kill the franchise.

. The team is average in terms of the NBA, not mediocre

http://m.dictionary.com/t/?q=mediocre

Now that I'm done teaching you 7th grade vocabulary, I'll ask who said anything about 5 years. In ONE year the jazz can have battle tested youngsters, a decent or better pick in what looks like a generational draft, and a lot of cap space in a strong fa class.

Another year of watching a mediocre team that anybody with more than 3 brain cells knows has no chance at more than a first round drubbing struggle to get an 8th seed is going to cause me to change the channel, not plan a trip or 2 to go see live games, and not buy any Jazz hats.
I'm not at all happy with a front office that has making the playoffs as the #1 goal. sometimes you NEED to take a step back to take two steps forward.

A year of watching a young group come together and learn what it takes to be successful in the NBA, AND knowing that we are not just settling for that elusive 8th seed will get me to watch, plan a trip, and buy a hat.

KDBG wrote:I say f*** signing veterans, let's go completely young. Don't give any reason for the core 4 not to get playing time. I'm sure the core 4 and the rest of the team would be thrilled as well. They'd be getting a big fat bonus at the end of the year.

flip-side:

1. i don't know how thrilled they will be once the losing starts, and there is a big chance that there will be quite a bit of losing in such a case. from what i hear, hayward doesn't like losing one bit. he hates losing more than he likes winning.

2. i don't know how thrilled the front office will be to give a "big fat bonus" to players who lost a lot of games and missed the playoffs. would you give a big fat bonus to your employees for doing a bad job and yielding poor results?

3. the C4 is very close of getting big paychecks anyway. negotiations for their contract extension should kick in real soon. the jazz might as well enjoy the time of getting good contribution for a low contract price. that's what rookie contracts are all about. no reason to make rookie contracts more expensive sooner than you need to.

idajazz wrote:Another year of watching a mediocre team that anybody with more than 3 brain cells knows has no chance at more than a first round drubbing struggle to get an 8th seed is going to cause me to change the channel, not plan a trip or 2 to go see live games, and not buy any Jazz hats.
I'm not at all happy with a front office that has making the playoffs as the #1 goal. sometimes you NEED to take a step back to take two steps forward.

A year of watching a young group come together and learn what it takes to be successful in the NBA, AND knowing that we are not just settling for that elusive 8th seed will get me to watch, plan a trip, and buy a hat.

Theyre not mediocre. Theyre average... duh

Hope everyone reads this thread to eliminate a very common misconception. I'd rather out guys get a nice extra paycheck at the end of the year than toss money at unnecessary vets.

I totally disagree with this idea.

There should be some good expiring contracts that can be picked up along with an asset this year. The Jazz would be dumb not to do that like they when they got the NY pick that ended up being Hayward.

This organization has for the last few yrs made it clear that they have set a goal of making the playoffs.
Because of this it has been quite apparent that our brilliant coach has been very reluctant to give our young talent much playing time.
Instead of looking big picture, he has focused only on now, and has played the vets in a futile attempt to live up to the front offices goal of just making the playoffs.
Anybody that is even somewhat interested in basketball could see that this approach sucks, and leads to a very mediocre middle of the road boring team, that is doomed to get drubbed in the first round......NO THANKS!

This organization needs to reevaluate its approach and set goals that are a bit higher than an 8th seed and a first round drubbing. If that means that we need to let the young guys grow and live with the growing pains along the way then count me in.

I don't think the core four need to play every minute of every game to develop. As they get better give them more playing time. I don't think you can tell a coach and his team to lose. If we aren't going to make the playoffs then play the young inexperienced players more. You have to keep the players happy and they aren't happy losing.

Blackie wrote:I don't think you can tell a coach and his team to lose.

didn't you watch the golden state warriors last season?

Blackie wrote:I don't think the core four need to play every minute of every game to develop. As they get better give them more playing time. I don't think you can tell a coach and his team to lose. If we aren't going to make the playoffs then play the young inexperienced players more. You have to keep the players happy and they aren't happy losing.

the other side of the coin............ This coach didn't play the young guys nearly enough in my opinion and probably could have picked up a win or two if he had, Case in point is favors monster game up to the third quarter and then he rode pine.
For whatever reason this idiot coach has no confidence in playing the young guys who are clearly the future.
This will come back to bite him in the rear end, You either use them or loose them, or they are not ready when they are all you have.

I made a thread to this effect a while ago.

The minimum salary is an annoyance. I think it's very unlikely we get many 1 year deals worked out, and it seems stupid to settle for distributing the money among the young players. I like 'em to, but that's bad business sense. Use your cap room to improve.

I think we'll grab a few small 1 year deals this summer, resign Al for a 3 year deal, and then look to take an expiring salary in a trade deal and pick up a 2nd rounder or two in the process.

Al has got to go, if we keep one of Al or Milsap I would rather have Milsap.
Al is a black hole on O and a huge liability on D.