Trade Proposal Thread

The59Sound · Post #1 » by **The59Sound** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:09 pm

I thought it might be a good idea to have an ongoing trade proposal thread to keep things tidy.

I'll start us off with a post I made on the Trades and Transactions board. Feel free to roast me over it, as I've dished out plenty of hyperbolic quips about other people's trades.

UTAH OUT: Alec Burks / #14 / #21 / 2015 1st Round Pick (top-3 protected)
UTAH IN: Rajon Rondo / Courtney Lee / Brandon Bass

BOSTON OUT: Rajon Rondo / Courtney Lee / Brandon Bass
BOSTON IN: Alec Burks / #14 / #21 / 2015 1st Round Pick (top-3 protected)

WHY FOR UTAH?

Alec Burks is a good prospect, but seems destined to ride the pine as long as Ty Corbin is our coach. We give up three rebuild assets and take on some unwanted money, but in return, we get the NBA's preeminent pass-first Point Guard, whose presence will be a boon to Favors' and Kanter's development. It's about time we had someone besides Hayward who can get them the damn ball. Rondo's ACL tear is a question mark, and we're obviously taking a risk since we'll only have him for 1 1/2 years (by the time he's done rehabbing) before his contract expires, but it's a chance worth taking.

Bass and Lee shouldn't be making what they're making, but they're perfectly competent bench players.

WHY FOR BOSTON?

Utah fans have been clamoring for more playing time for Burks. He's a very solid perimeter defender and excellent at getting to the rim to draw contact. A fresh start and consistent minutes, and I think he could blossom. Along with young Burks, they get three first-round draft picks to help advance the rebuild and dump two contracts they don't want, which Utah can absorb with its cap space. Rondo is an elite setup man, but otherwise limited offensively, so I don't know that Boston should really structure a rebuild around him.

In light of the ACL tear, and the fact that they get to dump their garbage, I don't think this is a terrible return for Rondo.

pickIBL · Post #2 » by **pickIBL** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:35 pm

Rondo makes sense if you don't hurry him back in a Rose type situation. If Rondo comes back early then that's no good. Rondo is 27 so he's a bit older than the younger core guys.

I would probably focus more on deals where you can take on salary short term. I understand the Jazz wanting to explore options to trade up for CJ... but I'd also suggest options to trade down with the 14.

I would offer the 14 and Evans for Denver's 27th and Jordan Hamilton. The two major reasons Karl was let go (outside of the 1st round exit) was how he treated McGee and Hamilton. Ham didn't get a lot of minutes but he is ready to play big minutes for Utah.

The Jazz will have two firsts with names like Karasev (maybe), Schroeder (maybe), Crabbe, Franklin, Rice, Mitchell, Ledo, and Gobert (maybe) on the board.

Post #3 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:22 pm

pickIBL wrote:I would offer the 14 and Evans for Denver's 27th and Jordan Hamilton.

i'd do this deal.

king everything · Post #4 » by **king everything** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:24 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
pickIBL wrote:I would offer the 14 and Evans for Denver's 27th and Jordan Hamilton.

i'd do this deal.

I would too. But dunnow why Denver would.

AingesBurner · Post #5 » by **AingesBurner** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:31 pm

That's a lot to pay for Rondo especially if he never returns to form and taking on two average players that take up 11-12 mill in cap is a lot to ask as well, I would rather trade down (maybe trade down and swap ATL's picks for 14 and our second) and take a chance on Canaan, Schroeder, or Larkin.

Post #6 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:35 pm

king everything wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
pickIBL wrote:I would offer the 14 and Evans for Denver's 27th and Jordan Hamilton.

i'd do this deal.
I would too. But dunnow why Denver would.

well, they do get a lottery pick, and for all the love hamilton gets from fans, he has yet to prove anything. granted, it is largely because karl didn't play him, but either way, he is an unknown, unproven commodity. it's not like the jazz is robbing the nuggets with this deal. he's only averaged 10 minutes of PT in both his seasons.

The59Sound · Post #7 » by **The59Sound** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:13 pm

pickIBL wrote:Rondo makes sense if you don't hurry him back in a Rose type situation. If Rondo comes back early then that's no good. Rondo is 27 so he's a bit older than the younger core guys.

True, he is. I think the question is probably (assuming he can be retained, of course): will Favors, Kanter, Hayward, and our 2014 pick be developed enough by the time Rondo's 30 for us to make some noise? It's a risk I'd take.

pickIBL wrote:I would offer the 14 and Evans for Denver's 27th and Jordan Hamilton. The two major reasons Karl was let go (outside of the 1st round exit) was how he treated McGee and Hamilton. Ham didn't get a lot of minutes but he is ready to play big minutes for Utah.

That's an interesting deal. Kid's got some game, which we got to see very little of this year (sounds familiar). I still look some of the guys that will be available at 14, but I'd probably lean toward "yes."

king everything · Post #8 » by **king everything** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:33 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
king everything wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
i'd do this deal.
I would too. But dunnow why Denver would.

well, they do get a lottery pick, and for all the love hamilton gets from fans, he has yet to prove anything. granted, it is largely because karl didn't play him, but either way, he is an unknown, unproven commodity. it's not like the jazz is robbing the nuggets with this deal. he's only averaged 10 minutes of PT in both his seasons.

they get a late lotto pick in a crappy draft and unlike us, they got rid of the coach that wasn't playing the talent. I doubt they're eager to dump Hamilton til they see what they have.

kebutah · Post #9 » by **kebutah** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:46 pm

I concur with King. One of the reasons Karl wasn't retained was because he didn't play the young guys. Denver will want to see what they have before making alot of changes.

reapaman · Post #10 » by **reapaman** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:01 am

king everything wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
king everything wrote: I would too. But dunnow why Denver would.

well, they do get a lottery pick, and for all the love hamilton gets from fans, he has yet to prove anything. granted, it is largely because karl didn't play him, but either way, he is an unknown, unproven commodity. it's not like the jazz is robbing the nuggets with this deal. he's only averaged 10 minutes of PT in both his seasons.
they get a late lotto pick in a crappy draft and unlike us, they got rid of the coach that wasn't playing the talent. I doubt they're eager to dump Hamilton til they see what they have.

Whether the draft is crappy or not is in the eyes of the beholder. Plus Denver did draft two wings in last years draft despite already having four, then at the trade deadline they shopped Mozgov around for another wing, and now they are rumored to want to draft a wing with their current pick while still bringing back their current crop of wings even Brewer(why I don't know). Mabey that was Ujiri's decision or mabey they just love wings but that doesn't sound like a team that is eager to see what Hamilton has.

I personally think Hamilton will be beast and we should go after him hard. So I'm all in for trading a pick for him.

pickIBL · Post #11 » by **pickIBL** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:58 am

It is hard to get a handle on what Denver is thinking with all the coaching and FO changes right now. I think Fournier is probably held in higher regard than Hamilton by Josh Kroenke. IDK what the thought is on Hamilton but I know Masai and Josh were pissed that McGee wasn't playing after that big contract they gave him.

They've got to figure out what to do with Iggy... but they keep saying they will bring him back. They also need to find a replacement for Andre Miller. So with the 14 maybe there is a PG that will be available that they like. or someone else they like falls. IDK what they'd do with the 14 or who they would want.

Post #12 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:03 am

king everything wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
king everything wrote: I would too. But dunnow why Denver would.

well, they do get a lottery pick, and for all the love hamilton gets from fans, he has yet to prove anything. granted, it is largely because karl didn't play him, but either way, he is an unknown, unproven commodity. it's not like the jazz is robbing the nuggets with this deal. he's only averaged 10 minutes of PT in both his seasons.
they get a late lotto pick in a crappy draft and unlike us, they got rid of the coach that wasn't playing the talent. I doubt they're eager to dump Hamilton til they see what they have.

they are getting a lottery pick for a 26th pick who is yet to play in this league for two seasons. i'd say they'd be getting good value. hamilton is a projected role player, not a projected star.

pickIBL · Post #13 » by **pickIBL** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:29 am

here is a little info on Hamilton. He measured out well back in the day... 6'8.5 in shoes.. 6'9.5 wingspan. Before Denver he was known as one of the better guys to get looks in a half court set. Most of his shots came as jumpers from range and the post. He rebounds well for his position. He'll be looking to score and he won't pass up an open look.

His foul shooting is shaky. Unless he is working on it I would expect him to shoot somewhere in the 60% range. He shot 78% his last year at Texas but that might have been a fluke. While he rebounds well and is a wing that can do a little post d on some guys... it is unknown how well he'll perform defensively on the perimeter. The ability is there... not sure about the focus. Shot selection will also be key... he wants to shoot... coach must demand he takes good looks and doesn't shoot early in the clock like he's playing for Denver.

He'd be a good p/u for Utah because he can shoot with range and he's a young wing with talent that just needs time. I wouldn't say he could only be a role player. He could lead Utah in scoring if they traded for him and gave him the minutes.

Post #14 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:49 am

i agree with most of this. but many players could lead the jazz in scoring if they got the opportunity and minutes. like burks, or kanter. i like hamilton and i think he'll be a good fit. his rebounding from the wing will help, and he won't be passive like marvin. of course he's got his own issues, but the point i'm making here (not to you, since you were the one who offered this trade) is that a 26th pick who has yet to play in the league siginificant minutes after two seasons - his trade value goes down and not up. so if he's not playing for a team who is loaded with wings with or without him - a lottery pick is a good value for him.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #15 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:00 am

Marc Stein is reporting that a team has offered a first round pick to Houston for Thomas Robinson. Could it be the Jazz?

Robinson was expected to be the 2nd pick, but slid to the 5th pick last year, in a draft that was supposed to be stronger than this year's. Prototypical size for PF, and was skilled coming out of college. I think that he has been extremely unlucky in going to Kings and then to Rockets this past year. I would give up the #21 pick for him in a heartbeat, hoping that he would turn into what others have predicted he would be, with the only reservation that it opens the door for the Rockets to get D12.

What would be crazy is if the Jazz pulled off this deal, and then selected another big with their other (#14) pick, keeping the frontcourt deep, but young and cheap.

AingesBurner · Post #16 » by **AingesBurner** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:21 am

SoCalJazzFan wrote:Marc Stein is reporting that a team has offered a first round pick to Houston for Thomas Robinson. Could it be the Jazz?

Robinson was expected to be the 2nd pick, but slid to the 5th pick last year, in a draft that was supposed to be stronger than this year's. Prototypical size for PF, and was skilled coming out of college. I think that he has been extremely unlucky in going to Kings and then to Rockets this past year. I would give up the #21 pick for him in a heartbeat, hoping that he would turn into what others have predicted he would be, with the only reservation that it opens the door for the Rockets to get D12.

What would be crazy is if the Jazz pulled off this deal, and then selected another big with their other (#14) pick, keeping the frontcourt deep, but young and cheap.

I don't see us taking another big if we get Robinson, we need a PG.

eLo · Post #17 » by **eLo** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:39 pm

Underkanter wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:Marc Stein is reporting that a team has offered a first round pick to Houston for Thomas Robinson. Could it be the Jazz?

Robinson was expected to be the 2nd pick, but slid to the 5th pick last year, in a draft that was supposed to be stronger than this year's. Prototypical size for PF, and was skilled coming out of college. I think that he has been extremely unlucky in going to Kings and then to Rockets this past year. I would give up the #21 pick for him in a heartbeat, hoping that he would turn into what others have predicted he would be, with the only reservation that it opens the door for the Rockets to get D12.

What would be crazy is if the Jazz pulled off this deal, and then selected another big with their other (#14) pick, keeping the frontcourt deep, but young and cheap.

I don't see us taking another big if we get Robinson, we need a PG.

don't be afraid we definitely gonna get one this summer, i dont know if i would do it maybe is better to take one of a bigs with our 14 pick, and about hamilton he is an idiot so i dont know why any one would want him in Jazz uni

pickIBL · Post #18 » by **pickIBL** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:25 pm

Thomas Robinson is alright to p/u and give him minutes off the bench next year but the Rockets are trying to dump this guy. I'm not against picking him up but I'd much rather the Jazz start checking in on guys like Derrick Williams first. I much prefer how he fits with the team and he brings some offense to the rotation.

loveshaq786 · Post #19 » by **loveshaq786** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:41 am

Would you guys be interested in Nash or Steve Blake?

Blake for a tpe... Of Nash for a pick and tpe?

kebutah · Post #20 » by **kebutah** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:08 am

No. To take on those guys we need draft choices coming our way. Let LA live with their own mistakes.