Moderators: FJS, Inigo Montoya
Inigo Montoya wrote:babyjax13 wrote:Really, his size and soft touch seem like a recipe for, at the VERY WORST, a decent backup center with the size to really disrupt other teams.
ummm....no. at the very worst, he's out of the league before his rookie contract is up.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
Inigo Montoya wrote:
but i think there were plenty of prospects to chose from who were far better options than gobert, especially if we are expanding our view beyond a defensive C and look at all five positions.
pickIBL wrote:Inigo Montoya wrote:
but i think there were plenty of prospects to chose from who were far better options than gobert, especially if we are expanding our view beyond a defensive C and look at all five positions.
I think along the same lines as this statement, but I am just not as certain as you. What I know is I've only seen tape on Gobert who clearly was playing around some selfish guards, and I did not see his workout with the Jazz. I'd have liked to be in the building for that one.
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
Inigo Montoya wrote:you do understand what "at the very worst" means, do you?
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
Neon Black wrote:StocktonShorts wrote:Knowing what we know now, would you guys have drafted Jeremy Evans at 27 of this year's draft?
Heckno Techno. But Gobert arguably has a lot more going for him than Evans did. There's a reason he was projected a first-rounder....I'm just assuming you're implying a comparison between Evan's freak athleticism and Gobert's insane size and length and suggesting that's not a great reason to draft a player....correct me if I'm off base.Inigo Montoya wrote:
the point is - why not eliminate the uncertainty as much as possible? even if he's not a bust, we are talking backup role player here. so why not take a more ready, safer prospects who can help you right away instead of developing gobert for 3-4 years and hope he'll become a decent backup?
it's not about being a bust because he's not an allstar caliber prospect. but he's got a higher bust potential than most, and can be out of the league. if you'll be perfectly content with him turning out to be nothing more than a hard-working, efficient defensive spark plug - then why draft him with hopes he becomes that in a few years, instead of drafting someone who can be that right now?
I definitely see where you're coming from, but the simple fact is that the Jazz believe they saw something in him that gives him potential beyond a safe, backup role player. If you just listen to them talk about the kid, they are clearly infatuated and believe there's a chance he could be something special. I was simply positing MY opinion when saying that if he becomes nothing more than a solid, consistent, defensive spark plug that I personally won't be disappointed, because my expectations aren't that high. Jazz management, on the other hand, wasn't going for "safe" or "sure thing" with this pick. I don't know if I agree or not, because I simply don't know enough to have a valid opinion on his potential, but I can say that if the Jazz FO really believes Gobert has a chance at being something special that I'm glad they shoot for the stars now and again instead of playing it safe, even if it means missing sometimes.
Who knows...maybe Rudy will surprise us all. I can't help but wonder if he just had one really good workout with the Jazz where he looked much better than his usual self. If that's the case, maybe the front office is being short sighted and too easily swayed. Reminds me of how we picked up Ronnie Price just because he always played so well against us.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
Inigo Montoya wrote:pickIBL wrote:I agree, but that was not the point. The point is a lot of guys on draft day have a lot of developing left to do... and bigs are commonly late bloomers. I'm just saying you've got to project this guy out. He's definitely a hit or miss... but there are positives there.
It took 5 years in the league for Jermaine O'Neal to blow up out of HS. Favors is looking at what should be a big year from him in his 4th year after one year at GT. It took a long time for Tomic to get it together.
Let's all give Rudy a chance to develop. He should be a fun project for Karl Malone. I do hope he works with him. Rudy is a lot futher a long in physical development than Tomic was at 20 or 21.
my point is that even if he develops, then you got a nice defensive C off the bench. in a few years. why not draft a someone who you know can be one right off the bat, without all this speculation about how he may turn out if he develops? we are talking 20 mins a night backups here. i don't see the need to spend 3-4 years to develop such a guy if you can get someone who can be just as good right now, and has more skills.
Just goes to show fans generally don't know crap. My opinion at the time wasn't much better: I thought he be a great energy guy off the bench for 15-20 minutes a night. 
Rauxcee wrote::lol: Just goes to show fans generally don't know crap. My opinion at the time wasn't much better: I thought he be a great energy guy off the bench for 15-20 minutes a night.
Some hilarious takes here with the benefit of hindsight.
He ended up being our best center ever, and probably best player since Stockton and Malone.
@ndrew wrote:
BTW, have anyone seen Tomic?
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
